RE: The Argument for Islam is very Simple:
March 21, 2017 at 12:16 pm
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2017 at 12:19 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(March 21, 2017 at 7:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. You can rely on the sufficient for guidance (God), or you can rely on people claiming that they should or can be followed.
False dichotomy. Why follow anyone or anything when you can be independent?
Quote:2. The problem with relying on other then God is that you cannot know who is guided unless God manifests them with clear proof, and hence, cannot know who should be followed.
See above.
Quote:3. The leaders he wants us to follow and who makes representatives of his religion are his chosen ones.
I care even less about what a leader wants when he doesn't even exist.
Quote:4. God gives clear guidance with respect to the affair of his chosen ones.
God doesn't do anything since action presupposes existence and being precedes doing. He has to be to do.
Quote:5. The ones he associates together in a mission, also happen to be the closest one's to each other, and they are "family" in ways normal blood relatives or wives related to them are not.
See above. All this going on and on describing a God and why people should follow him before even demonstrating how God even exists is pointless.
Quote:6. Holy Ladies like Sarah and Mariam although don't take on the position were they should be taken as ruler by all humanity, are examples and signs of God and are part of the holy family that God has chosen for guidance. They are to emphasize that the path is meant for both men and women equally, although, the man and woman are not alike though people want them to be very similar in this century.
Holy people are not a sign of an existent God. They are a sign of people devoted to a a nonexistent God.
Quote:7. God has sacred numbers for the spiritual way the universe operates, whether it be 19 Angels on the Hell, the 6 days before the throne, the 7 veils, the 7 earths and 7 heavens, the summary of dim light in the night, bright light in the night, and really bright so mush so it's manifest bright day in 3, etc, and the sacred number for Captains of the covenant who steer the boat that is "by the name of God" in it's steering and anchoring, is 12, just as the months with God are Twelve the day he created the heavens and the earth, four of them being sacred, this being the upright religion.
As I have said... you're describing details of a God that you haven't demonstrated to exist which is pointless.
You are seriously putting the cart before the horse.
Quote:8. God is consistent with his sacred numbers and has wisdom in them.
God isn't anything. He has to exist before he can have a nature. He has to be anything at all before he can be something in particular.
Quote:9. God is very clean in providing proof consistently and demonstrates by his way of the past, to the present and future.
You are so damn circular. Are you seriously using "God has been consistent in providing proof" as proof of God?
You do realize that you are presupposing God in the first place within the very so-called proof you are trying to provide right?
Quote:10. The number of Salahs, the number of Rukus, and Sujoods, in both day and night, and in each Salah, and combined, all have sacred value in Quran but are not explicitly stated. Thus we need the "Sunnah" to explicit explain us the Quran and give us the explicit directions. The words to be stated in Salah are also complimentary to Quran and have wisdom in Quran. Everything is found in Quran but we don't preceive everything. The same is true of the names of the Imams in Quran. The same is true of all the rites of Hajj. etc, etc..... Quran contains everything and manifests the wisdom of it, but not explicitly. The complimentary nature of the Sunnah is hence needed.
Blah blah blah. More details about holy stuff that presuppose the existence of holiness and therefore God in the first place.
You can't use examples of God's holiness as proofs of a holy God, lol. Any examples of holiness already presuppose a holy God that that holiness supposedly applies to! You have to show that holiness exists at all first.
Once again this is the cart before the horse.
Quote:11. We can listen to all sorts of people babble about the Quran but at the end, it's the family of the reminder who God wants us to seek knowledge from and directed humanity to ask when we do not know as all those sent before Mohammad were men who he revealed revelation to, and made the means towards him, and who were explainer of the revelation revealed to their hearts.
Talking about what a nonexistent God wants is pointless.
Quote:12. As God leaves a legacy of knowledge through the family of the reminder, we are to seek light from their words, and not rely on others to explain to us the Quran, though we may council one another about the ahadiths and Quran, we need to come thirsty to the family of the reminder like we come thirsty to Quran. Together, they will connect us to God and Salah cannot be established without this realization.
God doesn't do anything. See above.
Quote:13. Innovations are not to be followed but rather all practices relating to the sacred have to have proof from either a legacy of news from God or by knowledge. There has to be traces of knowledge to rely on, and not conjecture.
Lol.
News from God is proof of God?
You can't use something from God as proof of God, lol.
"So why exactly is X proof of God?"
"Because X has Godly qualities."
"But how can you say X has Godly qualities before demonstrating a God? Doesn't there have to be a God for something to be Godly?"
"God provides many proofs of his existence. God wouldn't do that if he didn't exist. The fact he provides such proofs is proof of his existence."
"Are you on drugs?"
Quote:14. God is the True King and Master in all this, and sufficient is God as a Guide.
OH I SEE! God exists because he's the true master and king of all or in other words God exists because God is God!
Wow why the hell didn't I think of that!!! God must be God because God is Godly. Amen!
