(March 21, 2017 at 9:01 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: This is a logical fallacy known as "argumentum ad antiquitatem".
The fact that every civilization believed that the universe needs a creator/operator, provides zero evidence that, it is in fact, true. Every civilization once believed the earth was flat. How did that work out?
"There is no smoke without fire" can be edited to be
"There is no smoke without chemical reaction".
The point comes as different between words and fact.
Truth don't lie. Unlike the smoke/fire phrase, that can be rephrased depending on the quantity of knowledge we poses, truth is the ultimate form of... let's say condition? a condition can only be judged as true or false.
"There is no smoke without fire; false".
"There is no smoke without smoke; true".
"There is no planetary orbit without a system; true".
"There is no system without a creator; false".
If somebody believes that systems can exist without a creator, then that's a person who answered number 4 with a True.
What's the evidence on an answer with True?