RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular?
March 31, 2017 at 10:59 pm
(This post was last modified: March 31, 2017 at 11:06 pm by Brian37.)
(March 31, 2017 at 10:35 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:(March 31, 2017 at 8:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Why should you think a Muslim deserves less consideration than anyone else? What matters is what a politicians says after they file the legal paperwork to run, not before. I would not vote for fellow atheists if they were an economic Ayn Rand lover. I most certainly would vote for a Muslim who said what JFK or John Kerry said "I will not use my article of faith to legislate" and had the same economic views I do.An objective Muslim president is far more likely (if elected) then some want to think. American Muslims are less dogmatic than those in Muslim fundamentalist countries and are statistically more likely to accept gay marriage than Evangelicals.
I think there are far too many people who assume any Muslim who migrates here could not be objective while in office. I also doubt very seriously if either party got a Muslim in office, suddenly they would drastically and suddenly have the ability to over turn our system of checks and balances. Shit, both left and right without them already constantly scream the other is going to kill our system. Right now I'd say you'd have more to worry about our system collapsing under Trump than say having democrat congressman Kieth Ellison a Muslim being our president.
I think we as a pluralistic society should give everyone consideration without judgment until they run and even then your voting should be based on economic issue not the personal religion of the person running.
But yea, according to those polls it seems the idea that only a white Christian should be considered is falling away. You wouldn't know that though with all the successful gerrymandering nationwide that makes it really hard to get someone none white and non Christian in office. It took forever to have JFK in office, back then Catholics were not widely trusted. But 58% saying they would vote fore a qualified atheist, trust me, compared to 20 or 30 years ago, that is a huge jump. I also think the more atheists who run, or even other minorities who run, especially in traditionally red states, you will see minority numbers get more equal too. Bad thing for white right wingers is that younger people aren't buying all the bigotry of their parents or grandparents generation.
BINGO,
Skip the labels for a second. If you look a group behavior in our species, the majority does not like their order upset. So when others move in, that minority if they want to stay, cant come in screaming like a rabid dog. Even in American politics, we take it for granted that all sects of Christianity have always been considered . Nope, and again, it took hundreds of years before America elected it's first Catholic president.
It is also why even in Israel, while true they let religious minorities partake in politics, it is just as less likely that a Muslim will ever become PM of Israel even if born in Israel, but the same would be said if someone from Japan or China migrated there, or was a second generation child born there. It takes a long time for humans to change. We've done a far better job in the west making progress, but again, you wouldn't know that considering all the far right hyper nationalism spreading throughout Europe and America.
At least in America, migrants or the children of migrants are far more likely to vote democrat because socially we are not dicks. Cuban migrants though, they are an oddity and that really stems from the bad economics they escaped from in leaving Cuba. Cubans are a mix but many vote republican, mostly for economic reasons.
I think friend and foe alike worldwide bar any migrant from becoming the head of state, their offspring however, that would again, be depending on country, what the laws are for local and regional politics. In that case, at least in the west, we are far more flexible.
Let me give you another example. If I had stayed married to my X wife and moved to Japan, I may be allowed to live there, but I would never become PM of Japan. However, if we had a kid born while there, our kid might have a better shot in local or national politics. I think most human groups are like this.
The good thing long term, is that our species is mixing (well actually we should be saying shuffling) our genes crossing boarders more and more. Humans are traveling more and more, and that makes the world increasingly smaller. Simply put, it is hard to hate someone as an individual you are interacting with consistently.