(April 2, 2017 at 4:29 pm)Orochi Wrote:Quote:Maybe because most people do not accept the definition of atheism as lack of belief, in which case they considered atheists opposed to the fundamental principle for justifying inherent human rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence. If there is no God, there are no inalienable human rights.
1. If they don't recognize it that's there problem
2. Christianity has no true basis for human rights. And magic sky man says so is not a basis. Nor is but his nature a justification . Secular philosophers can and have made just as good a case as your apologist armchair thinkers.
3. First the declaration is speaking of a deistic god you know the opposite of the Christian god. Second most of the founding fathers were against putting this line in but were pressured into it. Third the declaration isn't a legal document so it doesn't mean shit. The constitution is the law of the land and it is absolutely secular.
4. The scientific fact of evolution describes the diversification of life . ID is creationism with a paint job that solves shit by saying "then a miracle happened "oh pardon "then the unknown intelligence did something "
The problem with EVERY religion is that every religion bar none, thinks locally, and also thinks they solely invented the concept of good and empathy and cooperation.
"Rights" is our human language, but not rooted in any holy writing. It is rooted in our evolution in that most humans seek non violence and want a safe place to live and a means to survive. The problem is with our species desire to be on top as groups.
If more humans would view rights in terms of needing resources rather than clubs or desire to be on top, there would be less conflict. I do think everyone has the right to the basics, food, shelter, housing. I don't mean that as to negate differences to eliminate class differences or pay differences, just in that as rich as the global GDP is, we cant continue sucking money up to the top just to concentrate wealth to fewer people.
The Tears For Fears song "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" is what most humans mean by "rights". In reality "rights" is not about domination, but equality. Rights isn't about having a Muslim nation, or a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or communist nation. Rights to me are not about getting rid of class differences. Rights are to me about allowing the differences while never having anyone fall below the ability to make ends meet.
If everyone seeks survival, and we all do, then rights should be about the ratio between the top and the bottom being fair and not lopsided to the point it becomes greed and counter productive. It cannot be about one religion or one economic view. Rights should always foster the attitude that we are all in this together.
