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Atheists becoming less unpopular?
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RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular?
(April 14, 2017 at 7:42 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(April 7, 2017 at 7:17 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I quoted Saint Thomas' reply:

Reply to Objection 2. Considered absolutely, the fact that this particular man should be a slave rather than another man, is based, not on natural reason, but on some resultant utility, in that it is useful to this man to be ruled by a wiser man, and to the latter to be helped by the former, as the Philosopher states (Polit. i, 2). Wherefore slavery which belongs to the right of nations is natural in the second way, but not in the first.

This echos Justinian's Institutes in which it says, "slavery is an institution according to the law of nations whereby one person falls under the property rights of another, contrary to nature." Slavery belongs to the "right of nations" as a legal mechanism to impose punishment for wrong-doing. Slavery is NOT based on natural reason. Or as Aquinas says immediately proceeding the part you quoted "The right of nations is distinct from natural right" Thus he makes the distinction between inherent natural rights and the justice system that protects them.

So it is clear, human beings do have divinely created existential equality and as such inherent rights as part of their essential nature. These come from God. In contrast to this, the "right of nations" does not come from God but was allowed by God in the ancient world to accomodate a world corrupted by sin. As a legally imposed punishment people can loose those rights and become slaves, almost without exception in situations where one would otherwise have died*, according to the laws by which their nation is governed. To this day our justice system takes away the rights of convicted criminals. Being given a life-sentence for murder is a modern luxury and is in its own way just another type of slavery.

*The Egyptian sociologist  'Abd al-Wahid Wafi faced the same problem within Islamic tradition. He lists the conditions under which slavery got imposed in the ancient world. He concluded that slavery was in some sense a practical legal substitute for execution resulting from crime (like unpayable debt) or military slaughter.

So it is clear that divine quality comes from Allah.
So it is clear that divine quality comes from Yahweh.
So it is clear that divine quality comes from Buddha.
So it is clear that divine quality comes from Vishnu.

No, it is clear you merely like the idea of having a cosmic sky parent. 

And what the hell does our court system hurting minorities and the poor have to do with proving the existence of any god? Every nation, friend and foe have prisons.

It isn't a lack of religion Saudi Arabia and Iran have prisons too, and they have much more oppression of non Muslims. The problem in America is that for the past 36 years the rich and the religious right have gerrymandered voting district maps. The GOP has sold the idea of "don't tax the rich" which the rest of us have to pay what the top doesn't. If we taxed the rich and gave workers livable wages and heath care, that would increase the stability of the individual and family. 

None of your fluff of a post proves anything. If you have empathy for others, it is YOU not a god handing it to you. YOU the individual, no magic man required to explain our species ability to be cruel or compassionate.
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Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - March 31, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by ukatheist - March 31, 2017 at 8:51 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2017 at 8:53 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Longhorn - March 31, 2017 at 8:56 am
Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by ukatheist - March 31, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Pat Mustard - April 2, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by c172 - March 31, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Regina - March 31, 2017 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - March 31, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - March 31, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Regina - April 1, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 31, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 31, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - March 31, 2017 at 1:56 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Secular Elf - April 19, 2017 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - March 31, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 31, 2017 at 12:00 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by chimp3 - April 6, 2017 at 5:36 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2017 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by paulpablo - March 31, 2017 at 1:25 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - March 31, 2017 at 9:02 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Aristocatt - April 2, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 2, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - April 2, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 2, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 3, 2017 at 11:38 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 3, 2017 at 11:49 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 4, 2017 at 12:05 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 5, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 5, 2017 at 11:19 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 6, 2017 at 9:34 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by The Valkyrie - April 4, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - April 6, 2017 at 12:26 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by AceBoogie - April 6, 2017 at 1:34 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by vorlon13 - April 6, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 7, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2017 at 7:42 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 14, 2017 at 9:16 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2017 at 11:20 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 15, 2017 at 3:34 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2017 at 8:06 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 15, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 16, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 15, 2017 at 7:28 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Catholic_Lady - April 8, 2017 at 11:23 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 8, 2017 at 11:41 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by dyresand - April 15, 2017 at 2:11 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by downbeatplumb - April 15, 2017 at 11:38 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Pat Mustard - April 18, 2017 at 4:22 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by downbeatplumb - April 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 19, 2017 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 19, 2017 at 4:22 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by pocaracas - April 19, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by pocaracas - April 15, 2017 at 3:14 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2017 at 12:37 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 15, 2017 at 1:16 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - April 15, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 15, 2017 at 3:32 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - April 15, 2017 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 15, 2017 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - April 15, 2017 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by pocaracas - April 15, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - April 15, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2017 at 9:36 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 17, 2017 at 9:50 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 17, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 17, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Mister Agenda - April 17, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by pocaracas - April 19, 2017 at 3:33 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 4:19 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 19, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by pocaracas - April 19, 2017 at 6:23 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 4:46 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2017 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Brian37 - April 19, 2017 at 8:12 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Amarok - April 19, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 7:14 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by pocaracas - April 19, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 19, 2017 at 10:54 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by vorlon13 - April 19, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by vorlon13 - April 19, 2017 at 9:10 pm
RE: Atheists becoming less unpopular? - by Jehanne - April 20, 2017 at 8:42 am

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