(March 31, 2017 at 1:56 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(March 31, 2017 at 11:00 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Maybe because most people do not accept the definition of atheism as lack of belief, in which case they considered atheists opposed to the fundamental principle for justifying inherent human rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence. If there is no God, there are no inalienable human rights.
Bullshit. But if you want to get into American history I can give you quotes from the Founders who railed against the concept of pulpit politics.
"whence arises the morality of the atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such thing exists" Thomas Jefferson. Now if he believed rights came from a God, it still would not matter to me. What mattered to him was the idea that an individual was just that. He was a Unitarian and a deist FYI.
Now even outside the issue of any nation, your claim is still tribal and just as messed up in wanting a social pecking order propped up by government. Our government defends freedom of religion, not by favoring one god over another or one sect over another, but common law.
"Allah is the source of human rights" still make sense to you?
"Yahweh is the source of human rights" still make sense to you?
"Buddha is the source of human rights" still make sense to you?
"The Hindu creator God Brahama is the source of human rights" still make sense to you?
Even if I agreed with you that our rights as a species came from your particular pet deity claim, it still would not matter to me. Do you care to consider the political divisiveness this causes, even under the same label? Have you ever read Jefferson's "Virginia Religious freedom act"? It became the prototype Madison Used to write the First Amendment.
The founders were a variety of beliefs, mostly deists and Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson out of all of them were the biggest critics of religion interfering in politics. All of them viewed your personal beliefs as yours. So in that context I am not required by law to believe my rights came from your pet deity regardless.
The only thing the First Amendment protects is your right to follow a religion or believe in any god you want or no god. It DOES NOT set up a religious pecking order where Christianity gets to be the sole driver of the bus where all other religions are mere passengers or sit at the back of the bus.
If the founders had intended on Christianity getting special status, they failed by not making it clear in the First Amendment or the oath of office "no religious test". I think they got both right, so if you want to blame anyone for the argument we are having now, blame them. I wont, I think they did the right thing.
Even if you got rid of all non Christians in America you would still have political divisions which exist today caused by religion. The Obama liberal black baptist voter believes that our rights came from the Christian god, but so does the Trump voting Republican baptist. See the problem it causes politically? Now the only thing that prevents us from looking like Sunni's and Shiites is the Constitution and secular protection of pluralism.
I could care less where you believe our rights come from, you still have no proof they are a result of your pet deity, nor does the law require me to buy your claim.
FYI, the Declaration of Independence is not law. It was a fuck you letter to the king. Our nation was not official until the last signer of the Constitution which IS LAW. Nowhere in the Constitution do you see the words "Christian, Jesus or Bible". They left those words out for a reason.
Exactly! Nailed it! If I could give this two or three kudos I would.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."--Thomas Jefferson