RE: Dawkins banned from Berkerley's KPFA Radio over "abusive" speech against Islam
July 24, 2017 at 4:26 pm
(This post was last modified: July 24, 2017 at 4:39 pm by Brian37.)
(July 24, 2017 at 4:05 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The answer is more speech, not less.
Again, yes and no. You cant sell beer to kids and you cant yell fire in a theater. But in principle I would rather let a KKK fuckface bigot spew his garbage than to have them use the "If I cant, you cant either" mentality. Not a good idea for government to decide in blanket terms what is or is not offensive. In that context, I agree.
Calling for violence or acting out in violence is not protected speech. It would be no different if you were calling for violence on your neighbor or acting out in violence on your neighbor for playing their music too loud. But blasphemy and ridicule and satire most certainly should be protected speech.
(July 24, 2017 at 4:22 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:(July 24, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Um no not all the time. One is the issue of government, the other is the issue of private business. Now while I don't think asshole companies like Hobby Lobby or Dick Suck A should have gotten the attention from the courts they did, a private business certainly has the right to limit your speech on the job to talking about work. It only becomes discrimination on a bosses part if they allow non work related talk for some, like on politics or religion, but don't allow everyone the same.
I've gotten fired a couple of times for telling a boss to fuck off, but by that time I didn't want to work there anymore anyway and none of it was religious or politics related so I felt good. I kept my dignity.
I was making a reference more toward an employer informing an employee to clam it in reference to customers, but once again I should have been more specific.
Actually especially with customers. And again, even outside the issue of politics or religion. If you own a business, you really don't want your employees bitching about you or other employees to the customers on the job. Now I am not talking about honest whistle blowing about bad environments. I am merely talking about someone having a personality beef with the boss or another employee.
The best mom and pop shop family I worked for had very simple rules. They didn't care if we talked religion or politics no matter our position, nor did they mind the bitching about each other in the back or off the clock, as long as you didn't do those things in front of the customers and as long as it didn't interfere with your ability to do your job.
We had our fights in the back, mostly over stress of high volume, but to them, tomorrow was another day and you don't stay angry. Best bosses I ever had, even though I didn't realize it at the time. Think of the sitcom Night Court, but real and at a pancake joint. Chaos but it really was an army of unified oddballs.