The Cake Case Revisited

[Catholic_Lady]

Well, if a person doesn't think gay marriage is moral and they don't want to make a cake for a cause they disagree with, I think they have the right to say no.

And I already answered your question. If someone refused me a cake that was unrelated to my Catholicism simply bc I was catholic, I would think that was illegal discrimination of servicing me because of who I am. If someone refused to make a cake for me that was for a pro life rally or for a catholic baptism because they were morally/politically/religiously opposed to those causes, i would think it was within their rights to do so.

What if a baker is against interracial marriage claiming it was immoral, is it ok to turn down a black/white couple then?  Is it more OK if it's because of a religious belief? Would you still say it is their right to do so?

Many people in the 60's used these exact arguments, you do realize, to try and legitimize segregation.

What is the difference between an interracial marriage and a gay one?  Both are marriages, both are legal. 

I never said anything was or wasn't "ok". I was talking about whether or not it should be legal to turn down servicing a cause that goes against your convictions, whether rightfully or wrongfully so.

As for the example with interracial marriage, I'm not sure it would fly in courts now a days as any sort of genuine conviction that a black person marrying a white person is immoral, and not purely racism on the part of the owner. But for the sake of argument, let's say there is some fringe psycho baker who's religion says it is deeply immoral and against natural law for people of different races to get married. If that's the case, I say so be it. Let him turn down the interracial couple on the grounds of his supposed "moral conviction" and let him go out of business because of all the boycotting he'd get. Let him be a well known, hated man.

You see, the extreme examples can go both ways. I'd like to know that if I owned my own personal bakery and someone wanted me to make a swastika cake for a white supremacist gathering, I wouldn't be forced by the law to do it. I wouldnt be forced to participate in something like that. And if that means some racist gets to say no as well and lose his livelyhood in the process, so be it.

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The point is that a public business is discriminating against those guys for who they are as people. Would you be okay with a business denying service to African Americans based on the owners religious freedom?

What about protesting, by refusing to make a dress for the First Lady and the inauguration? Or performers refusing to sing at Trumps inauguration? And then you had the Springsteen concert that was scheduled in Carolina and canceled for reasons of discrimination. Is this not Ok as well?

Precisely. Those people had every right to refuse their services to contribute to something politically which they did not agree with. Heck, I would have refused to do anything for the inauguration as well because I don't support Trumps politics. The last thing I'd want is some big government forcing me to participate in a cause I'm against.