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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 9:04 pm
(October 4, 2017 at 7:17 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (October 4, 2017 at 4:09 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As I've explained, refusing to bake a cake for a particular person because you don't like who they are, shouldn't be allowed. Refusing to bake a cake for an event or purpose you disagree with, should. So if I walked into a bakery and asked for a birthday cake for myself that said "happy birthday debora" and the baker happened to know I was catholic, he can't turn me away simply bc of who I am. But if I wanted a cake that said "Pro Life!" on it for a pro life fundraiser I was hosting, you can absolutely say no if you are against the pro life movement.
But I'm sure the wedding cake didn't say congratulations on your super gay wedding Steve and Ralph, It probably just said congratulations Steve and Ralph. So isn't the Baker turning away Steve and Ralph for who they are and not for something being put on their cake?
I don't know how the exact interaction went, I just know that the baker did know one way or the other that the cake would be for a gay wedding and that is why he refused to make it.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 9:09 pm
I'd guess that the phrase "Congratulations David and Charlie" was something of a giveaway. J
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 9:15 pm
Charlie can be a woman's name lol...
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 9:20 pm
Remember that I am much older than you.
I ain't sleeping with no Charlies.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 10:05 pm
You neither?
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 10:10 pm
(October 4, 2017 at 9:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (October 4, 2017 at 7:17 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: But I'm sure the wedding cake didn't say congratulations on your super gay wedding Steve and Ralph, It probably just said congratulations Steve and Ralph. So isn't the Baker turning away Steve and Ralph for who they are and not for something being put on their cake?
I don't know how the exact interaction went, I just know that the baker did know one way or the other that the cake would be for a gay wedding and that is why he refused to make it.
The point is that a public business is discriminating against those guys for who they are as people. Would you be okay with a business denying service to African Americans based on the owners religious freedom?
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 10:28 pm
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Yes, she would. -at least if that means that mother see gets a pass.
And that's the absolute best you can expect from a christer.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 10:28 pm
So,
we get religious person to explain why (presumably) making a cake for a couple with a history of divorce/remarriage is ok SCRIPTURALLY and the gay cake AIN'T ???
See, for this religious argument to work, the religious views need to be sincerely held, and not merely a convenient cover for an existing prejudice.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 10:31 pm
Lelz.
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
October 4, 2017 at 11:03 pm
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(October 4, 2017 at 4:09 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (October 4, 2017 at 3:30 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: In answer to C_L, I'd bake the fucking cake. I understand that if I open a business to the public, to remain viable I must cater to the whims of the public. Would I enjoy baking a cake with a swastika on it? No. Would I serve my clientele without bias? Bet your ass, just like these bigoted shit-stains should.
Equal rights for all means exactly that. If you wish to continue to be treated equally, you must treat others the same.
How would you feel, C_L, if an atheist baker refused to bake your wedding cake because you were a cathy-lick? These people are not discriminating against a cake. They're discriminating against other people.
As I've explained, refusing to bake a cake for a particular person because you don't like who they are, shouldn't be allowed. Refusing to bake a cake for an event or purpose you disagree with, should. So if I walked into a bakery and asked for a birthday cake for myself that said "happy birthday debora" and the baker happened to know I was catholic, he can't turn me away simply bc of who I am. But if I wanted a cake that said "Pro Life!" on it for a pro life fundraiser I was hosting, you can absolutely say no if you are against the pro life movement.
Unless you're defining gay marriage as something other than marriage, your point is pure bullshit. If these bigoted bozos don't want to bake cakes for gay weddings, they can always opt-out of baking wedding cakes. No (open, repulsive) bigotry in refusing the gay wedding then. This seems to be the point you're missing. They are refusing to bake a wedding cake because the couple is gay. They're not refusing to bake wedding cakes. They're refusing to bake gay wedding cakes. It's the very definition of bigotry.
So, I'll ask again, how would you feel if you were refused a service granted to everyone else, based solely on your religion? If you walked into a restaurant wearing a crucifix and the waiter told you "We don't serve cathy-licks," are you going to tell me that's somehow different?!?
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