Coveny’s plan for health care

[The Grand Nudger]

You go from "People in Canada and the UK still get private insurance to cover things not covered by their systems...and still yet opt for out of pocket expenses for things not covered by their system" to "Universal healthcare operates on the same idea as insurance..it uses the same personnel, it pays for the same services, it just pays for them in a different way." Now if you understand that people opt for private healthcare because of "things not covered" then you should understand that it's a contradiction to say "it pays for the same services". This is one of the issues with universal healthcare, it doesn't cover everything, and people are still left in need a treatment they can't afford.

Private insurance doesn't cover everything either, and OOP expenses in both countries are mostly tied to red carpet services, elective treatments, and choosing a different doctor based on something other than any medical requirement.  This demonstrates simply that your comments regarding "good and bad" doctors are divorced from reality. That ensuring access to -a- doctor doesn't prevent some doctor from charging more.

So try again.

You admit and understand that medical professions with limited knowledge are effective in our current system.  (immunizations, and ambulances were your examples) But the idea of expanding this to lower costs equates to getting your cousin with a tube of superglue. You can't view the people giving shots to your children this way, and I doubt you feel that way about EMTs and Paramedics. So again you contradict yourself. On top of that you do see the costs as a roadblock for some. Yet you can't accept the idea of making the costs lower for someone with less knowledge to allow them to break into the field.

Is that what you think I "admitted to"?  That Cletus with his glue and tranquilizers was effective? Is there some reason that we have to opt for people with less knowledge to reduce the cost of education to a student? I;m not interested in under trained people "breaking in" to medicine...medicine isn't about those people breaking into something. The point of healthcare is not to increase their economic opportunities. It aint about you.

I agree with you that the less competition you have in a market the more of a monopoly it creates, and that the medical industry is full of huge companies that are incredibly profitable and have used those profits to corrupt our laws/government/media in their favor. However you don't understand the contradiction of wanting more laws/regulations, and expecting that to lower costs and create more companies, and more medical professionals. 

Lowering costs comes from collective bargaining..you know...how insurance works in the first place? Insurance, that thing that people would still require no matter how idiotically or dangerously you tiered your services.