Coveny’s plan for health care

[The Grand Nudger]

The US system "works" despite your protestations as well. ROFL This post isn't trying to provide a solution, where none exists, this post is trying to talk about a better solution that the ones currently in place.

I'm a person who sees medical personnel not being able to afford over a decade of college without making any money and turning to another field. I'm a person who thinks highly intelligent people looking at a universal care situation, thinking they can make better money elsewhere, and turning to another field. I'm a person who feels like waiting for over a decade to start doing the work you're training for makes people who learn via hands on training turn to another field. I'm a person who feels like if you put enough roadblocks in the way, you won't get enough people to chose that career path.

Then your problem, again, is not the healthcare system..and could more directly be addressed without any substandard medical services scheme.

As far as "paying for it". Tier 1 would be free, or near free to anyone who wanted it. The cost to the government would be a fraction of what they already pay, and tier 2/3 would be subsided enough that middle class individuals could afford it WITHOUT insurance. Again it wouldn't cost you any more money than you're paying right now.

You get what you pay for.  Tier 1 service, tier 1 quality.  

I too don't need this. I have good insurance, property, money in the bank, blah, blah. I just don't look at the problem from the eyes of a middle to high middle class individual. It's nice to say "I wouldn't do that" when you have money, and you aren't in need of treatment, but morals are something you afford, and if your children are starving you'll break those morals to feed them. I get the fantasy utopia where everyone has everything, and we all live fat and happy. Now maybe that can be achievable with robots someday and a major shift away from capitalism, but that's not going to happen in the foreseeable future, so I'm going to deal with reality. Reality is that there are going to be classes, there are going to be rich, and there are going to be poor. I'd like to see more justice in the scale of those who work not being poor, and those who don't work not being rich but that's a different topic than this one. There is going to be a range of wealths, and there is going to be a range of quality of service provided. This isn't really debatable even though you are trying to debate it. Some humans are going to be better, and some are going to be worse at being medical personnel. When you are only willing to let a small percentage through you believe that means you'll only get the "best" but obviously that isn't the case given that medical error is the 3rd leading cause of death in this country. The misbelief that a person must be rich to be a good doctor is ludicrous, and yet you refuse to be open to allowing the poor to afford to become doctors.

Go work on a fix to our education system, so that you don;t have to be wealthy or capable of going into massive debt to get a decent education.  I don;t see the point in proposing substandard healthcare to address that. We don;t have to fuck the poors just so you can live out your dream of being House..............................

Your entire "plan" and every response to criticism is to bitch about the poor medical students....all those suffering doctors and nurses, would be's and wannabes. That, is not, the point...of -any- healthcare system. Your focus is completely askew.

Here's a hint to get you started on fixing education....it's going to be another single payer plan, lol.