RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
February 7, 2018 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: February 7, 2018 at 1:37 pm by KevinM1.)
(February 7, 2018 at 1:06 am)Godscreated Wrote:(February 6, 2018 at 9:12 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Who's pretending he doesn't exist?
I honestly, truthfully, don't believe in your god. Indeed, I think he's fiction. My question had to do with the Christian mentality of willful surrender, and how it's viewed as an admirable trait/state of being. I doubt I'll ever truly understand it, but I'm willing to try. Not because I want to believe (again, I'm utterly convinced your god isn't real), but because I'm trying to better understand the people who do.
Finally, I've always been incredibly honest about my lack of belief and my motivations for being here. It's not my problem that you're somehow incapable of believing me. Maybe you should take a page out of my book and actually attempt to at least somewhat understand the people you're talking to? Or are you too prideful to man up yourself?
I have accepted Christ and know He is real and no one could ever convince me other wise, I've experienced Him on a level that is undeniable. I have come to better understand atheist, that's why I have stayed so long. You may truly believe that God isn't real, but that doesn't mean He isn't. My experiences are personal but within those experiences God has proved to me that He is who He says He is leaving me nothing to do but accept His existence. I've yet to see any atheist bring forth any information to show God doesn't exist, I've seen multitudes of excuses and because of that I said that atheist pretend He doesn't exist. I can't pretend and wouldn't because I would be denying truth and that is an unacceptable thing to do, truth is a precious thing, this God has taught me in a awesome way.
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You realize that my atheism has nothing to do with whether or not you have the right to believe in a god, right? I honestly do not care if you believe or not, and I'm not attempting to deconvert you. I understand that theists are deeply concerned with increasing their flock, but not everything happens through the filter of proselytization.
Regarding information about showing how god doesn't exist, how would one go about doing that when god is unfalsifiable?
(February 7, 2018 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote:(January 30, 2018 at 3:14 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: One of the (many) things I don't understand about Christianity is the notion of wanting Jesus to be your lord. To want to genuflect before him and be ruled over by him. As an American, the idea of a central, non-democratically elected leader is completely anathema to my beliefs, and it confuses me that so many self-proclaimed patriots here seem so willing to be lorded over in a divine sense. IMO, a beneficial dictator is still a dictator.
So, Christians of AF, why do you want to be lorded over by Jesus? Why is this something you desire?
But what if that non democratically elected leader was your personal Father.... Could you still not see any benefit that may befall you and your brothers and sisters personally? So what if he is brutally hard on those who hate you and your siblings, so what if he is known as a tryant for those who rebell and rebuke His authority..
Now before you go off and defend your little life.. know my answer does not judge you specifically but answers your question. Why would you want a non duely elected "lord" over you. Again it is because we are 'kin' to that lord and see the benefits from coming from Him. And it does not matter what other people see. we know they see what they want to see because they are not included in their current state therefore can and will say/do anythig to make God the evil one for not being all inclusive.
My actual father was a child molester who spent ~15 years in prison. He's currently suffering from skin cancer that has eaten away parts of his face and skull, and I cannot wait until he's dead. I will find his grave and piss on it.
Kin isn't always a beneficial arrangement, and I've yet to see anything but unevidenced promises regarding your god.