Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 26, 2025, 10:45 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 9, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(March 9, 2018 at 3:41 am)Godscreated Wrote: I do not claim to be better than you, my claim is this, I'm saved through Christ by the grace of God.

I reject that claim.  I believe your god to be mythical, salvation to be mythical, and Christ to be either mythical or 2000 years dead.

Rejecting it doesn't mean it's not true, that you even respond to the claim gives it validity. You have an opinion and it's based on nothing, you can't disprove God and all the wonderful things that come from Him. Try as you may it's futile to attempt to disprove truth.

Quote:I have made no threat, if you take it that way then that's your fault and apparently it bothers you greatly, ever wonder why. I'm telling you what the Bible says, besides how is it I can threaten you when God is the one in control.
 
 
Astreja Wrote:Your making excuses for your own bad behaviour, refusing to take responsibility for uttering threats, is the hallmark of an abusive person.  I deeply pity anyone who is unfortunate enough to get romantically involved with you.

You are seriously mental dear girl and need serious help. I do not make excuses for anything , my behavior isn't bad and I do not utter threats, I have no reason to threaten anyone nor the desire to do so, you have some kinda' wild imagination going on better get that checked out, too. I'll be married for 40 years come this November and I'm betting that's longer than most here.
 
Quote:It's your right to have that opinion, but I don't think it's worth much especially because it takes a truly despicable person to say what you did in the next sentence.

Astreja Wrote:Not nearly as despicable as a god that would imprison people in hell for eternity.  I'm just holding up a mirror to you, giving you a taste of your own medicine.

Here you are bring up hell again why don't you just leave it alone and I wouldn't have to respond, because when I do you say I'm threatening you. So I guess this will be taken as a threat but here goes. People choose hell and God gives them what they choose, people do not have to choose hell but they do because they do not want God to be real in their lives and that's to bad because they have no idea what they are missing. You think what you say bothers me, wrong, I just think it's gibberish from an over grown child.

Astreja Wrote:It is rather unpleasant and infuriating to be told by a total stranger that unless you take a specific action (in your case, demanding that we worship your imaginary friend), one is going to come to some sort of harm.  I want you to feel that unpleasantness at a visceral level so that you can appreciate firsthand the rotten fruits of your preaching.

I've never demanded anything from you or anyone else here, I've spoken the truth from the Bible and even the Bible makes no demands so Even at that I can't demand anything from you and i really do not have a desire to do so. You are quite an unpleasant person but I overlook that because I know you are childish and can't help what you do, you know those uncontrollable urges to spew your hatred towards Christians, you are one of those who believes we have no rights.

Quote:I desire nothing but good for you whether you deserve it or not and that is the truth.

Astreja Wrote:Your idea of "good"  is my idea of agony.  I don't want to spend eternity with some bastard god that thinks eternal punishment is justice, because eternity is a long time for me to weep for the people in hell.

There you go again putting ideas into my post that was never intended, I truly wish you good in this life, what you do for the next life is totally up to you. We who will be in heaven will not even remember that anyone is in hell, God will wipe that memory from us, if He didn't then we all would be weeping for those in hell. God promises that there will be no more tears and weeping in His kingdom, that being the case we can't have memories of those in hell.

Quote:You've wished nothing but trouble for me for quite some time now because I care enough to witness to you and others about Jesus and I do it without malice (bullying). You can not find one sentence in any of my post where I've bullied anyone, you might see because you want too things I've said you would consider bullying, but as long as I tell you and others what the Bible says by necessity it isn't bullying.

Astreja Wrote:Your excuse is rejected.  If *I* think you are a bully, then in my eyes you *are* a bully.  The only thing you can do to change that perception that I have of you is for you to apologize and cease the behaviours that I perceive as bullying.

Well so be it, in your eyes I'm a bully, so what it means nothing unless I'm truly a bully, which I'm not. Guess you will always see me as a bully then (deceiving one's self is truly a mental disorder), I have nothing to apologize for and I will be who I am always.

Quote:I've had troubles in my life but none of it has nor will it ever be because you wished it, it will be my making or just things that happen in life...

Astreja Wrote:And I want you to cause yourself to fail, as payback for your threats, so that you smarten the fuck up.

You get your wish, hope it makes you feel good because I've failed at times in my life and I'm pretty sure there will be other failures. As long as I learn from them things will be okay and I will be the smarter for learning from them. I haven't threatened you, why don't you grow up and act like a reasonable adult most the other atheist here have you should join them.

Quote:... And I foresee  and at least I have God there to help me through those thing, He has always done so and I know He will continue to because He is faithful in His promises.

Astreja Wrote:I know enough ex-Christians to know that your faith can literally vanish overnight, with no apparent reason.  If it can happen to them, it can happen to you.

Those people you call ex-Christians were most likely never a Christian and if any of them were they did not know God especially like I do, if they did they couldn't deny Him and call themselves atheist, once you have knowledge of something you can no longer dismiss it, this is by necessity. Anyone who can dismiss their beliefs overnight without reason never had belief in the first place, so that in itself shows they were never Christians, just people play a roll for some selfish reason. You should already know what I'm about to say from what I have just said, "not possible."

Quote:I really do not understand why you even reply to my posts, you always get upset and you shouldn't do that to yourself, it is not healthy.

Astreja Wrote:Why do I reply to you?  Because, in my opinion, you are propagating what I see as an evil and destructive belief.  It has been demonstrated on many occasions that a substantial number of people who were indoctrinated into the hell myth as children go on to suffer chronic psychological trauma that impacts their quality of life (and also their physical health, due to the effects of chronic stress and anxiety on the neuroendocrine system).

Is that what happened to you, if so you need to get over it and become an adult. Anyone who is saved doesn't have to worry about hell, that is something that is no longer a part of their life, so what you say seems to me to be quite wrong. 

Astreja Wrote:If I could wish for anything, anything it all, it would be to change laws worldwide so that frightening children and vulnerable adults with threats of hell became a felony punishable by prison time.

If you are sincere in that statement then I'm correct in saying you are a bigoted self righteous person who would be akin to nazism. You are a sad little girl who has no respect for those who differ from you, I pity you.

Astreja Wrote:I will continue to challenge you until you stop using hell as a tool in your proselytizing toolbox.  It certainly isn't causing anyone to love or worship your alleged god, and if I were your god I would feel quite insulted by your tactics.  If gods actually do exist, I trust that they are sane and reasonable beings who would never resort to such things as hell.  For all your talk of being led by the Holy Spirit, it sure sounds like you're doing the work of Satan instead.

 This is the last time I'm going to say this to you because I'm tired of repeating myself because you want listen, so open up those ears and hear. I do not use hell to proselytize and the Bible is my toolbox from which I draw my spiritual understanding. Atheist bring up hell and I respond to it and I'm well within my rights to do so (something else you would take away if you could), and as long as the atheist here bring up the subject I'm going to respond to it because I care enough to say something about it in hopes someone will decide it's not the place for them. I do not threaten anyone with hell, you desire to see that so you do and then claim I use hell as a threat. As far as I'm concerned what you make up in your mind is nothing short of delusion and in that you are only fooling yourself and that is really a sad thing for someone to have as a part of their life.
As far as God is concerned in this matter and He is concerned about everyone's eternal destination, hell is described over and over in His word and I bet you have never considered why other than your pathetic reasoning of scaring people. Well you couldn't be more wrong, God wants people to come to Him through love because He wants a loving relationship with us but He also wants people to know unforgiven sin carries a great price and that price is hell. You as everyone else gets to make that choice. As for Satan the last thing he wants you to know is there's an eternal punishment for unforgiven sin, and he seems to have done a good job with you because you admit you do not believe in hell. How about that, me a person you think of as small and unintelligent has escaped the deceit of Satan and you have swallowed it hook line and sinker. 

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold? - by Godscreated - March 10, 2018 at 3:33 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Destruction of self confidence debunk_pls 50 8154 November 19, 2021 at 5:46 pm
Last Post: emjay
  How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian? KUSA 371 114184 May 3, 2020 at 1:04 am
Last Post: Paleophyte
  Is this reasonable? Silver 24 5268 July 19, 2018 at 9:08 pm
Last Post: polymath257
  Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?? Jehanne 37 7076 June 21, 2018 at 1:43 am
Last Post: Pat Mustard
  So It Seems That This Jesus Freak Corporation's Religious Beliefs Only Go So Far Minimalist 11 3083 July 6, 2017 at 1:24 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Christian Self-censorship of Dirty Words mihoda 76 17187 November 2, 2016 at 4:52 pm
Last Post: Pat Mustard
  Interesting survey of Evangelical beliefs in USA Bunburryist 33 7682 October 11, 2016 at 5:13 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Atheists, how would you explain these Christian testimonies? miguel54 44 12040 August 28, 2016 at 7:46 pm
Last Post: Crossless2.0
  Indoctrinated Beliefs Aractus 2 1408 May 9, 2015 at 5:05 am
Last Post: Aractus
  Christianity and its effect on self-worth Strider 210 34591 January 8, 2015 at 11:47 am
Last Post: robvalue



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)