(March 8, 2018 at 11:32 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I've said many times here that I can not prove He exists to the satisfaction of those who deliberately blind themselves to the truth because they hate God.

You left out my bolded.  We've heard it so many times I know it by heart.

I find it amusing that they think we hate an imaginary being, when it's actually the believer we despise.

They pretend to speak for a god that conveniently matches up with things they find believable, and they get all butt-hurt when we criticize that god.  The only conclusion I can draw from this is that their "god" is no more than their own ego, running around in its birthday suit and waving its dick in the hope of getting a reaction from people.

Quote:...and it would be extremely satisfying to know that life had given you your just deserts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deserts

Desserts for Christmas = https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear...yhs-ddc_bd

(March 8, 2018 at 7:31 am)Lutrinae Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: Okay Mr. Smarty, show me where in scripture God says we have to prove His existence to anyone. Christians can't even prove it to themselves, God reveals His existence to us, like I said it is His work. Then deluded one is the one who answered my post and wrote the above rubbish.

Spreading the word of god:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/spreading_the_word

Christians are tasked with spreading the word for the purpose of saving souls.  If stands to reason that if the christian encounters a non-believer that the christian is tasked in ministering, proselytizing, in order to convince the non-believer of God's existence.

 Wrong, we are to witness to the people what God has done for us through Christ, it's the Holy Spirits job to convicted the people of their need for Christ and the peoples responsibility to accept Christ and by grace through God they will be saved. This is what we are to do and no where in that is it my responsibility to prove God and by the way you have neglected to show me where in the scriptures I'm required to prove God to you or anyone else.

GC

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(March 8, 2018 at 7:36 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 5:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: You are incapable of seeing the truth of which I speak of. Only God can reveal it to you and He has called me to witness to you so that you might hear His truth. I've heard and seen His truth and it is the most remarkable thing one can possess. I can't lose my salvation because I've already answered the Holy Spirits calling, if you knew anything about Christianity you would know the difference. You sure are hung up on dreams aren't you, must be some kind of problem, hope you can get that fixed. I guess if you stay on the path you are now that some day you will realize the value of salvation and wish you had received it before your death. Jesus said, "what does it profit a person to gain the whole world and lose your soul. The world is temporary and the next life is eternal whether you be in heaven or hell.

GC

So, only God can reveal his truth to us but declines to attend to this matter himself. Instead, he sends a proxy.

God has chosen to work through people, our work is to witness and then once a person accepts Christ, God will reveal the rest of His truth. Once we are saved we are not to set on our hands we are to go to work telling others of the Good News of Jesus Christ among the many other things we can do for others.

Crossless2.0 Wrote:God chooses you, of all people, to help us see this truth. But you are singularly bad at persuading anyone of anything.

That's an opinion by you, who has glued blinders over your eyes. There are people out there that would whole disagree with your opinion because they found the truth through my life with God.  

Crossless2.0 Wrote:Your utter failure as God's representative can't be your (or God's) fault, so we must be 'incapable' of seeing this truth of which you speak. For that, we are to be punished eternally. Now step back, GC, put down the Kool-Aid, and think. What part of this scenario strikes you as not monstrously fucked up? 

  That bold sentence (by me) makes no sense at all, how could I fail if it is you who can't see the truth and it's certainly not God's fault, you want listen to Him. So yeah the failure is your responsibility and if you knew the scriptures you would know this. When you come to understand God's plan you would know that the responsibility is yours alone to come to Christ as your savior and if you do not you are writing your own eternal punishment. You should stop writing and listen, it is more profitable. 

GC

(March 8, 2018 at 10:01 am)Astreja Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 5:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: You are incapable of seeing the truth of which I speak of.

No, *you* are incapable of considering that maybe, just maybe, you don't actually have truth.

No, you are wrong again. I know I have the truth because I know that the living God is real and has done exactly what He has promised and much more.

Quote: I can't lose my salvation because I've already answered the Holy Spirits calling.

Astreja Wrote:Fuck you and fuck the Holy Spirit, who is in my mind no better than Satan -- both fictional beings that screw around inside humans' thoughts to influence their behaviour.

You get all mad and start ranting like a little child. You do have the last part somewhat correct, Satan screws with your mind and the Holy Spirit asks you to believe in Christ through your spirit and mind.

Quote:I guess if you stay on the path you are now that some day you will realize the value of salvation and wish you had received it before your death.

Astreja Wrote:And once again you resort to a holier-than-thou threat.

I do not claim to be better than you, my claim is this, I'm saved through Christ by the grace of God. I have made no threat, if you take it that way then that's your fault and apparently it bothers you greatly, ever wonder why. I'm telling you what the Bible says, besides how is it I can threaten you when God is the one in control.

Astreja Wrote:You are a truly despicable person.  I hope you lose *everything* -- job, friends, family, and faith.  Really.  I do not tolerate people who try to bully people into professing religious faith, and it would be extremely satisfying to know that life had given you your just deserts.

  It's your right to have that opinion, but I don't think it's worth much especially because it takes a truly despicable person to say what you did in the next sentence. I desire nothing but good for you whether you deserve it or not and that is the truth. You've wished nothing but trouble for me for quite some time now because I care enough to witness to you and others about Jesus and I do it without malice (bullying). You can not find one sentence in any of my post where I've bullied anyone, you might see because you want too things I've said you would consider bullying, but as long as I tell you and others what the Bible says by necessity it isn't bullying. I've had troubles in my life but none of it has nor will it ever be because you wished it, it will be my making or just things that happen in life and at least I have God there to help me through those thing, He has always done so and I know He will continue to because He is faithful in His promises. I really do not understand why you even reply to my posts, you always get upset and you shouldn't do that to yourself, it is not healthy. 

GC

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(March 8, 2018 at 11:32 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I've said many times here that I can not prove He exists to the satisfaction of those who deliberately blind themselves to the truth because they hate God.

You left out my bolded.  We've heard it so many times I know it by heart.

 So some of you are listening, good. 

GC

(March 8, 2018 at 11:23 am)drfuzzy Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I've said many times here that I can not prove He exists to the satisfaction of those who deliberately blind themselves to the truth. I can tell you this I doubt you will find many atheist musicians in Southern Baptist churches. You treat me as if I'm stupid, yet you play music as an atheist every Sunday morning for something you do not even believe in, so who is the traitor to their own beliefs, I bet the churches you play for do not know you are an atheist, do they, bet you just go about acting out the part of a Christian just to get paid,a double standard that is nothing short of a lie. Have you no shame, pretending to be something you are not, betraying who you are and you all call me crazy.

GC

Oh, I have been trying for years to find a job that will pay me enough to insure that I never have to set foot into the loony-bin again.  (I even got a second Masters to make this happen.  Don't try to change careers in your 50's.  Not a good idea.)

Becoming disabled in your 50's is no fun either. Someone with all your education shouldn't have trouble finding a job, many people go into a different line of work that they were not directly educated to preform, you must be really picky about what you will do for a job. Oh no that can't be true because you are working at a job where you hate all that it represents and you lie to the people who employ you, can't lower yourself much more than that or maybe there's a reason you do not want to reveal.

drfuzzy Wrote:I personally know two atheists who entertain the "Southern Baptists" every weekend, and that's just in our little town.  Yes, it's irritating.  But I do take notes on the readings and interpretations for my journal of "idiotic things that I have heard from the pulpit" - our atheist musician group meets every other month, and our notes make for a lot of hilarity.  That helps.  Most of the choir members and director know I don't believe, and they like me anyway.

They do not like you, they love you as they should, they are in hope that you will hear God's calling. I bet you do not tell them what you say on this forum nor do you let them know they are the brunt of your jokes at your meetings. These people who care about you and pay you a salary are treated by you as a joke, who's the idiotic one. Bold by me. I doubt the Southern Baptist churches where your friends play know they are atheist. The Southern Baptist churches around here wouldn't let some one hold a position in the church without they were a member and if those friends joined the churches then they too are living a lie among God's people. I find it curious and a bit illogical that well educated atheist
who live by logic could do what you and your friends are doing and I find it hard to believe that you can't find better paying jobs. I do find it highly reasonable that you are stuck in a job you do not want to be in though.

drfuzzy Wrote:As many of us here have said, we're not "deliberately blinding ourselves to the truth".  We honestly don't think your sky fairy exists.  No evidence.  That goes for those of us who were raised Southern Baptist.  I personally feel as if I have been freed from a delusion.  There is no god.  There is no afterlife.

Yes you are deliberately blinding yourselves to the truth. Excuses are what the lost use to ignore God and if you do not think I'm right then go study the OT and see what the Israelites did and then what happened to them. When I first became a believer I had no direct evidence that God existed, it did come afterwards and because I now have that evidence there is no way I can deny the living God, I would be lying to myself and that is a pretty low thing for someone to do to themself. There is only one true God and the afterlife belongs to Him and we can either join Him in it or go to an eternal punishment of our own making an afterlife I see no real life in, personally I'm elated that I will be joining Him.

drfuzzy Wrote:You cannot prove your imaginary friend exists. Then what are you doing here, preaching to a bunch of atheists who think you sound like a kid who is screaming because we just told him Santa Claus doesn't exist?  All you do is call us stupid and say that "the scriptures" (lol) say this or don't say that.

Not to your satisfaction I can't, but then I nor any other Christian are required by God to do so. By the same token you can't disprove God and that leaves a door open to the possibility He does exist regardless of what you want to believe. Puts you and me in two different boats sailing in two different directions even though you go to church every Sunday. And people will say, "but Lord didn't I do these things because of your name," and Jesus will say, "leave Me for I never knew you." I couldn't imagine anything worse to hear knowing what will be awaiting next.
As I've explained to others we never know when someone will decide what Christians have is worth finding. It's happened here before and I'm thinking it will happen again. My main purpose here is to witness to those who visit here looking for some answers, you all are the pulpit I'm able to witness from. God will us whoever He desires for His purpose and you of all the people here should be able to see this. I know other Christians who have been here were here for the same reason. I do not scream because I am certain as I'm responding to you that the God of creation and the Bible lives, no doubts never and that is truly awesome. When I call someone stupid on this forum it's because they are acting stupid and that's usually a kid trying to impress the older atheist, not always though some times people are just being stupid and the thing is they know it. The scriptures do speak to those who have ears to hear, you should try listening for a change, just encase you're wrong, it's not like you don't have the opportunity to do so. Would it really hurt you to listen instead of looking for jokes to tell about those who love you.

 

drfuzzy Wrote:As if that offensive book has any meaning.  It seems to me that you just think you have all the answers, you're "blessed" (a term that means my imaginary friend loves me better than those guys over there), and that you really get off on telling people that they are WRONG and you are RIGHT and "I don't have any proof and I don't have to give any proof".  Pathetic.

 You are right it is an offensive book, it never tries to defend what it says, it goes rolling on to witness about the living God who wants you to be a part of His family. One thing you can count on and if you were to ever listen to a sermon I'm sure you would hear this, God loves you just as much as He loves me. Want proof of this then read the parable of the ninety- nine sheep. Or you might read the parable of the prodigal son. Both reveal God's love for the lost and/or straying. You are correct to say I'm bless because it's true and it's not because of what I've ever done, it's because of what God has done through me. It brings me no pleasure to tell people they are wrong about God and His word, I find it a sad thing to need to say and I'm only right because of God not of myself. You see me as someone who thinks more about himself than others, if that were true I would not have stayed here for eight years listening to people tell me I'm everything but human, I've stayed for those who will listen even if I never have a chance to directly correspond with them. Now you are trying to deceive people into thinking I've said I have no proof of God and that's not true and you know it. I've said I have nothing the blind will listen to, Jesus told people that they couldn't see because they were blind and couldn't hear because they were deaf and those were people who witnessed miracles preformed by Him. When you go to church this Sunday listen to the music and you just might get to dance on God's great dance floor for the very first time (I borrowed those words from a song I'm listening to now.) The music I'm speaking of is not what you play nor the singing of the choir or church, just listen it will be playing I can promise that, He will make sure that the song you need is playing and I promise this, it will be the sweetest music you will ever hear. I'm glad we've been able to have a good conversation I have enjoyed it and hope we have more, thank you.

GC

(March 9, 2018 at 5:17 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 11:23 am)drfuzzy Wrote:

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Oh, I have been trying for years to find a job that will pay me enough to insure that I never have to set foot into the loony-bin again.  (I even got a second Masters to make this happen.  Don't try to change careers in your 50's.  Not a good idea.)

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Becoming disabled in your 50's is no fun either. Someone with all your education shouldn't have trouble finding a job, many people go into a different line of work that they were not directly educated to preform, you must be really picky about what you will do for a job. Oh no that can't be true because you are working at a job where you hate all that it represents and you lie to the people who employ you, can't lower yourself much more than that or maybe there's a reason you do not want to reveal.

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drfuzzy Wrote:

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I personally know two atheists who entertain the "Southern Baptists" every weekend, and that's just in our little town.  Yes, it's irritating.  But I do take notes on the readings and interpretations for my journal of "idiotic things that I have heard from the pulpit" - our atheist musician group meets every other month, and our notes make for a lot of hilarity.  That helps.  Most of the choir members and director know I don't believe, and they like me anyway.

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They do not like you, they love you as they should, they are in hope that you will hear God's calling. I bet you do not tell them what you say on this forum nor do you let them know they are the brunt of your jokes at your meetings. These people who care about you and pay you a salary are treated by you as a joke, who's the idiotic one. Bold by me. I doubt the Southern Baptist churches where your friends play know they are atheist. The Southern Baptist churches around here wouldn't let some one hold a position in the church without they were a member and if those friends joined the churches then they too are living a lie among God's people. I find it curious and a bit illogical that well educated atheist
who live by logic could do what you and your friends are doing and I find it hard to believe that you can't find better paying jobs. I do find it highly reasonable that you are stuck in a job you do not want to be in though.

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drfuzzy Wrote:

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As many of us here have said, we're not "deliberately blinding ourselves to the truth".  We honestly don't think your sky fairy exists.  No evidence.  That goes for those of us who were raised Southern Baptist.  I personally feel as if I have been freed from a delusion.  There is no god.  There is no afterlife.

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Yes you are deliberately blinding yourselves to the truth. Excuses are what the lost use to ignore God and if you do not think I'm right then go study the OT and see what the Israelites did and then what happened to them. When I first became a believer I had no direct evidence that God existed, it did come afterwards and because I now have that evidence there is no way I can deny the living God, I would be lying to myself and that is a pretty low thing for someone to do to themself. There is only one true God and the afterlife belongs to Him and we can either join Him in it or go to an eternal punishment of our own making an afterlife I see no real life in, personally I'm elated that I will be joining Him.

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drfuzzy Wrote:

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You cannot prove your imaginary friend exists. Then what are you doing here, preaching to a bunch of atheists who think you sound like a kid who is screaming because we just told him Santa Claus doesn't exist?  All you do is call us stupid and say that "the scriptures" (lol) say this or don't say that.

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Not to your satisfaction I can't, but then I nor any other Christian are required by God to do so. By the same token you can't disprove God and that leaves a door open to the possibility He does exist regardless of what you want to believe. Puts you and me in two different boats sailing in two different directions even though you go to church every Sunday. And people will say, "but Lord didn't I do these things because of your name," and Jesus will say, "leave Me for I never knew you." I couldn't imagine anything worse to hear knowing what will be awaiting next.
As I've explained to others we never know when someone will decide what Christians have is worth finding. It's happened here before and I'm thinking it will happen again. My main purpose here is to witness to those who visit here looking for some answers, you all are the pulpit I'm able to witness from. God will us whoever He desires for His purpose and you of all the people here should be able to see this. I know other Christians who have been here were here for the same reason. I do not scream because I am certain as I'm responding to you that the God of creation and the Bible lives, no doubts never and that is truly awesome. When I call someone stupid on this forum it's because they are acting stupid and that's usually a kid trying to impress the older atheist, not always though some times people are just being stupid and the thing is they know it. The scriptures do speak to those who have ears to hear, you should try listening for a change, just encase you're wrong, it's not like you don't have the opportunity to do so. Would it really hurt you to listen instead of looking for jokes to tell about those who love you.

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drfuzzy Wrote:

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As if that offensive book has any meaning.  It seems to me that you just think you have all the answers, you're "blessed" (a term that means my imaginary friend loves me better than those guys over there), and that you really get off on telling people that they are WRONG and you are RIGHT and "I don't have any proof and I don't have to give any proof".  Pathetic.

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 You are right it is an offensive book, it never tries to defend what it says, it goes rolling on to witness about the living God who wants you to be a part of His family. One thing you can count on and if you were to ever listen to a sermon I'm sure you would hear this, God loves you just as much as He loves me. Want proof of this then read the parable of the ninety- nine sheep. Or you might read the parable of the prodigal son. Both reveal God's love for the lost and/or straying. You are correct to say I'm bless because it's true and it's not because of what I've ever done, it's because of what God has done through me. It brings me no pleasure to tell people they are wrong about God and His word, I find it a sad thing to need to say and I'm only right because of God not of myself. You see me as someone who thinks more about himself than others, if that were true I would not have stayed here for eight years listening to people tell me I'm everything but human, I've stayed for those who will listen even if I never have a chance to directly correspond with them. Now you are trying to deceive people into thinking I've said I have no proof of God and that's not true and you know it. I've said I have nothing the blind will listen to, Jesus told people that they couldn't see because they were blind and couldn't hear because they were deaf and those were people who witnessed miracles preformed by Him. When you go to church this Sunday listen to the music and you just might get to dance on God's great dance floor for the very first time (I borrowed those words from a song I'm listening to now.) The music I'm speaking of is not what you play nor the singing of the choir or church, just listen it will be playing I can promise that, He will make sure that the song you need is playing and I promise this, it will be the sweetest music you will ever hear. I'm glad we've been able to have a good conversation I have enjoyed it and hope we have more, thank you.

GC

Good conversation.  RIIIIIIGGGHHHT.  I hope you had fun writing that huge wall of judgmental, holier-than-thou, ridiculous, delusional, faux-parental drivel.  
I have read your hideous wholly babble through many times.  It is not a historical document.  The vast majority of its fantasy tales never happened.  
There is no god, shithead.  The absolute proof lives in that crap you just posted. 

I will leave you with the text of a popular meme.  

"Christians are often hurt when atheists attack their beliefs, it seems hateful. Being told that your god doesn't exist, being told that you're not going to heaven, being told that you're not a part of anybody's perfect plan, these things hurt. You must try and remember that atheists hate the belief, not the believer. Atheists don't hate you, they only hate your sick, awful, abhorrent, abusive beliefs.  They hate the pain and hurt caused because of your beliefs.  They hate seeing your beliefs keeping you trapped in a state of constant delusion. Really, atheists love YOU, we want you help you, but we will not accept your belief.  Does that help? Do you feel loved now?"

Grow up, wake up, educate yourself, you DESPERATELY need my help!!!  Listen to the voice of reason!  Turn your poor pathetic despicable hypocritical delusional life around!!

LOL

(March 9, 2018 at 3:41 am)Godscreated Wrote: I do not claim to be better than you, my claim is this, I'm saved through Christ by the grace of God.

I reject that claim.  I believe your god to be mythical, salvation to be mythical, and Christ to be either mythical or 2000 years dead.

Quote:I have made no threat, if you take it that way then that's your fault and apparently it bothers you greatly, ever wonder why. I'm telling you what the Bible says, besides how is it I can threaten you when God is the one in control.

Your making excuses for your own bad behaviour, refusing to take responsibility for uttering threats, is the hallmark of an abusive person.  I deeply pity anyone who is unfortunate enough to get romantically involved with you.

Quote:It's your right to have that opinion, but I don't think it's worth much especially because it takes a truly despicable person to say what you did in the next sentence.

Not nearly as despicable as a god that would imprison people in hell for eternity.  I'm just holding up a mirror to you, giving you a taste of your own medicine.

It is rather unpleasant and infuriating to be told by a total stranger that unless you take a specific action (in your case, demanding that we worship your imaginary friend), one is going to come to some sort of harm.  I want you to feel that unpleasantness at a visceral level so that you can appreciate firsthand the rotten fruits of your preaching.

Quote:I desire nothing but good for you whether you deserve it or not and that is the truth.

Your idea of "good"  is my idea of agony.  I don't want to spend eternity with some bastard god that thinks eternal punishment is justice, because eternity is a long time for me to weep for the people in hell.

Quote:You've wished nothing but trouble for me for quite some time now because I care enough to witness to you and others about Jesus and I do it without malice (bullying). You can not find one sentence in any of my post where I've bullied anyone, you might see because you want too things I've said you would consider bullying, but as long as I tell you and others what the Bible says by necessity it isn't bullying.

Your excuse is rejected.  If *I* think you are a bully, then in my eyes you *are* a bully.  The only thing you can do to change that perception that I have of you is for you to apologize and cease the behaviours that I perceive as bullying.

Quote:I've had troubles in my life but none of it has nor will it ever be because you wished it, it will be my making or just things that happen in life...

And I want you to cause yourself to fail, as payback for your threats, so that you smarten the fuck up.

Quote:... And I foresee  and at least I have God there to help me through those thing, He has always done so and I know He will continue to because He is faithful in His promises.

I know enough ex-Christians to know that your faith can literally vanish overnight, with no apparent reason.  If it can happen to them, it can happen to you.

Quote:I really do not understand why you even reply to my posts, you always get upset and you shouldn't do that to yourself, it is not healthy.

Why do I reply to you?  Because, in my opinion, you are propagating what I see as an evil and destructive belief.  It has been demonstrated on many occasions that a substantial number of people who were indoctrinated into the hell myth as children go on to suffer chronic psychological trauma that impacts their quality of life (and also their physical health, due to the effects of chronic stress and anxiety on the neuroendocrine system).

If I could wish for anything, anything it all, it would be to change laws worldwide so that frightening children and vulnerable adults with threats of hell became a felony punishable by prison time.

I will continue to challenge you until you stop using hell as a tool in your proselytizing toolbox.  It certainly isn't causing anyone to love or worship your alleged god, and if I were your god I would feel quite insulted by your tactics.  If gods actually do exist, I trust that they are sane and reasonable beings who would never resort to such things as hell.  For all your talk of being led by the Holy Spirit, it sure sounds like you're doing the work of Satan instead.

(March 9, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(March 9, 2018 at 3:41 am)Godscreated Wrote: I do not claim to be better than you, my claim is this, I'm saved through Christ by the grace of God.

I reject that claim.  I believe your god to be mythical, salvation to be mythical, and Christ to be either mythical or 2000 years dead.

Rejecting it doesn't mean it's not true, that you even respond to the claim gives it validity. You have an opinion and it's based on nothing, you can't disprove God and all the wonderful things that come from Him. Try as you may it's futile to attempt to disprove truth.

Quote:I have made no threat, if you take it that way then that's your fault and apparently it bothers you greatly, ever wonder why. I'm telling you what the Bible says, besides how is it I can threaten you when God is the one in control.

 
 

Astreja Wrote:Your making excuses for your own bad behaviour, refusing to take responsibility for uttering threats, is the hallmark of an abusive person.  I deeply pity anyone who is unfortunate enough to get romantically involved with you.

You are seriously mental dear girl and need serious help. I do not make excuses for anything , my behavior isn't bad and I do not utter threats, I have no reason to threaten anyone nor the desire to do so, you have some kinda' wild imagination going on better get that checked out, too. I'll be married for 40 years come this November and I'm betting that's longer than most here.
 

Quote:It's your right to have that opinion, but I don't think it's worth much especially because it takes a truly despicable person to say what you did in the next sentence.

Astreja Wrote:Not nearly as despicable as a god that would imprison people in hell for eternity.  I'm just holding up a mirror to you, giving you a taste of your own medicine.

Here you are bring up hell again why don't you just leave it alone and I wouldn't have to respond, because when I do you say I'm threatening you. So I guess this will be taken as a threat but here goes. People choose hell and God gives them what they choose, people do not have to choose hell but they do because they do not want God to be real in their lives and that's to bad because they have no idea what they are missing. You think what you say bothers me, wrong, I just think it's gibberish from an over grown child.

Astreja Wrote:It is rather unpleasant and infuriating to be told by a total stranger that unless you take a specific action (in your case, demanding that we worship your imaginary friend), one is going to come to some sort of harm.  I want you to feel that unpleasantness at a visceral level so that you can appreciate firsthand the rotten fruits of your preaching.

I've never demanded anything from you or anyone else here, I've spoken the truth from the Bible and even the Bible makes no demands so Even at that I can't demand anything from you and i really do not have a desire to do so. You are quite an unpleasant person but I overlook that because I know you are childish and can't help what you do, you know those uncontrollable urges to spew your hatred towards Christians, you are one of those who believes we have no rights.

Quote:I desire nothing but good for you whether you deserve it or not and that is the truth.

Astreja Wrote:Your idea of "good"  is my idea of agony.  I don't want to spend eternity with some bastard god that thinks eternal punishment is justice, because eternity is a long time for me to weep for the people in hell.

There you go again putting ideas into my post that was never intended, I truly wish you good in this life, what you do for the next life is totally up to you. We who will be in heaven will not even remember that anyone is in hell, God will wipe that memory from us, if He didn't then we all would be weeping for those in hell. God promises that there will be no more tears and weeping in His kingdom, that being the case we can't have memories of those in hell.

Quote:You've wished nothing but trouble for me for quite some time now because I care enough to witness to you and others about Jesus and I do it without malice (bullying). You can not find one sentence in any of my post where I've bullied anyone, you might see because you want too things I've said you would consider bullying, but as long as I tell you and others what the Bible says by necessity it isn't bullying.

Astreja Wrote:Your excuse is rejected.  If *I* think you are a bully, then in my eyes you *are* a bully.  The only thing you can do to change that perception that I have of you is for you to apologize and cease the behaviours that I perceive as bullying.

Well so be it, in your eyes I'm a bully, so what it means nothing unless I'm truly a bully, which I'm not. Guess you will always see me as a bully then (deceiving one's self is truly a mental disorder), I have nothing to apologize for and I will be who I am always.

Quote:I've had troubles in my life but none of it has nor will it ever be because you wished it, it will be my making or just things that happen in life...

Astreja Wrote:And I want you to cause yourself to fail, as payback for your threats, so that you smarten the fuck up.

You get your wish, hope it makes you feel good because I've failed at times in my life and I'm pretty sure there will be other failures. As long as I learn from them things will be okay and I will be the smarter for learning from them. I haven't threatened you, why don't you grow up and act like a reasonable adult most the other atheist here have you should join them.

Quote:... And I foresee  and at least I have God there to help me through those thing, He has always done so and I know He will continue to because He is faithful in His promises.

Astreja Wrote:I know enough ex-Christians to know that your faith can literally vanish overnight, with no apparent reason.  If it can happen to them, it can happen to you.

Those people you call ex-Christians were most likely never a Christian and if any of them were they did not know God especially like I do, if they did they couldn't deny Him and call themselves atheist, once you have knowledge of something you can no longer dismiss it, this is by necessity. Anyone who can dismiss their beliefs overnight without reason never had belief in the first place, so that in itself shows they were never Christians, just people play a roll for some selfish reason. You should already know what I'm about to say from what I have just said, "not possible."

Quote:I really do not understand why you even reply to my posts, you always get upset and you shouldn't do that to yourself, it is not healthy.

Astreja Wrote:Why do I reply to you?  Because, in my opinion, you are propagating what I see as an evil and destructive belief.  It has been demonstrated on many occasions that a substantial number of people who were indoctrinated into the hell myth as children go on to suffer chronic psychological trauma that impacts their quality of life (and also their physical health, due to the effects of chronic stress and anxiety on the neuroendocrine system).

Is that what happened to you, if so you need to get over it and become an adult. Anyone who is saved doesn't have to worry about hell, that is something that is no longer a part of their life, so what you say seems to me to be quite wrong. 

Astreja Wrote:If I could wish for anything, anything it all, it would be to change laws worldwide so that frightening children and vulnerable adults with threats of hell became a felony punishable by prison time.

If you are sincere in that statement then I'm correct in saying you are a bigoted self righteous person who would be akin to nazism. You are a sad little girl who has no respect for those who differ from you, I pity you.

Astreja Wrote:I will continue to challenge you until you stop using hell as a tool in your proselytizing toolbox.  It certainly isn't causing anyone to love or worship your alleged god, and if I were your god I would feel quite insulted by your tactics.  If gods actually do exist, I trust that they are sane and reasonable beings who would never resort to such things as hell.  For all your talk of being led by the Holy Spirit, it sure sounds like you're doing the work of Satan instead.

 This is the last time I'm going to say this to you because I'm tired of repeating myself because you want listen, so open up those ears and hear. I do not use hell to proselytize and the Bible is my toolbox from which I draw my spiritual understanding. Atheist bring up hell and I respond to it and I'm well within my rights to do so (something else you would take away if you could), and as long as the atheist here bring up the subject I'm going to respond to it because I care enough to say something about it in hopes someone will decide it's not the place for them. I do not threaten anyone with hell, you desire to see that so you do and then claim I use hell as a threat. As far as I'm concerned what you make up in your mind is nothing short of delusion and in that you are only fooling yourself and that is really a sad thing for someone to have as a part of their life.
As far as God is concerned in this matter and He is concerned about everyone's eternal destination, hell is described over and over in His word and I bet you have never considered why other than your pathetic reasoning of scaring people. Well you couldn't be more wrong, God wants people to come to Him through love because He wants a loving relationship with us but He also wants people to know unforgiven sin carries a great price and that price is hell. You as everyone else gets to make that choice. As for Satan the last thing he wants you to know is there's an eternal punishment for unforgiven sin, and he seems to have done a good job with you because you admit you do not believe in hell. How about that, me a person you think of as small and unintelligent has escaped the deceit of Satan and you have swallowed it hook line and sinker. 

GC

(March 10, 2018 at 3:33 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 9, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Astreja Wrote: I reject that claim.  I believe your god to be mythical, salvation to be mythical, and Christ to be either mythical or 2000 years dead.

Rejecting it doesn't mean it's not true, that you even respond to the claim gives it validity. You have an opinion and it's based on nothing, you can't disprove God and all the wonderful things that come from Him. Try as you may it's futile to attempt to disprove truth.

(March 9, 2018 at 11:28 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Good conversation.  RIIIIIIGGGHHHT.  I hope you had fun writing that huge wall of judgmental, holier-than-thou, ridiculous, delusional, faux-parental drivel.  
I have read your hideous wholly babble through many times.  It is not a historical document.  The vast majority of its fantasy tales never happened.  
There is no god, shithead.  The absolute proof lives in that crap you just posted. 

I will leave you with the text of a popular meme.  

"Christians are often hurt when atheists attack their beliefs, it seems hateful. Being told that your god doesn't exist, being told that you're not going to heaven, being told that you're not a part of anybody's perfect plan, these things hurt. You must try and remember that atheists hate the belief, not the believer. Atheists don't hate you, they only hate your sick, awful, abhorrent, abusive beliefs.  They hate the pain and hurt caused because of your beliefs.  They hate seeing your beliefs keeping you trapped in a state of constant delusion. Really, atheists love YOU, we want you help you, but we will not accept your belief.  Does that help? Do you feel loved now?"

Grow up, wake up, educate yourself, you DESPERATELY need my help!!!  Listen to the voice of reason!  Turn your poor pathetic despicable hypocritical delusional life around!!

LOL

 
 Love me, that may be the biggest lie I've heard on this forums, you should go back and read all the post where atheist have said they hate me with all their being and I include you in that. Your little meme means nothing you nor any other atheist here can hurt me and why, because I know the truth and I know God and I know he is real, so all that crap you posted was posted only to make you feel better. By the way the Bible isn't a historical document and was never intended to be so, it's a spiritual book about finding God and living a purposeful life with Him. You're just like Astreja, you read into my posts what you want to believe and never listen to what was actually said, you deceive yourself as much as she does and that is a mental issue you need to deal with. As far as needing your help that's a joke and one I find pathetic and not at all funny. You go to this church where you play music take God's money and their love for you and then you trash them at your meetings. You are a coward, face them and tell them how you really see them and what you think of God. By the way my life is just fine and I know your's can't be because you prey on those who care about you and there is something that's just not human about that. I know why you do not want to believe in God, you like having subjective morals so you can belittle anyone who cares about you and then justify it with whatever strikes your fancy. You will have to answer for it and it will be before God and all those people you pretended to care about and that will just be the beginning of your hell, unless you change and come to Christ as your savior. One more thing and then I'm done with you and Astreja, the only reason my post was that long was because of the wall you put up. I still challenge you to be listening this Sunday because your song from God will be playing and it could be the last time it will be played and it would be terrible for you to lose the chance to dance on God's great dance floor. I wish you luck in you search for a job, one because I do care and also because I'm hoping those people at the church want have to be belittled by you anymore. If you do not find another job it will be because God has you in the place he wants you and that you can take to the bank. I offered you a little peace treaty when I said we were having a "good conversation," and I truly meant that and since you have rejected that I no longer see that we need to have further conversations. They would be the same ol' thing and you would be getting upset and that's not good for anyone. You all think you upset me all the time and on a few occasions it's happened, but with God's peace in my life I do not concern myself with the things said to me.

GC