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Morality
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RE: Morality
(August 31, 2011 at 9:19 am)TeslaTrooper Wrote: An analogy For example, here in the u.k there has been a big debate on "legal drugs." More people have been experimenting with legal drugs, because they are legal. those people would not use illegal drugs for the very fact that they are illegal.

People are doing legal drugs because they're cheaper and easier to obtain, not because they suddenly feel it's socially acceptable. Besides, drugs need to be decriminalized and hallucinogens legalized.

TeslaTrooper Wrote:Similarly, if boundaries on morality were strictly in place it may stop people from engaging in immoral acts, because that boundary was there i.e religion. Once the boundary has been removed, it allows immorality to be engaged in.

You mean like it stopped the pedophile priests?

TeslaTrooper Wrote:Well I honestly think I would be a worse person if it were not for religious teachings. As a young boy we were taught religion and "right and wrong" in school. These foundations are present in us even in adulthood.

You are giving religion the credit for morals when they really appeared as humans started to live larger societies to maintain order. Religion then highjacked these morals and claimed them.

TeslaTrooper Wrote:Of course there is no evidence to suggest that as a species we were more immoral before abrahamic religions took hold in the world. Mostly due to the fact that the concept of morality had not yet been devised.

Morals most definitely predate the abrahamic religions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality

Quote:Psychologist Matt J. Rossano argues that religion emerged after morality and built upon morality by expanding the social scrutiny of individual behavior to include supernatural agents. By including ever watchful ancestors, spirits and gods in the social realm, humans discovered an effective strategy for restraining selfishness and building more cooperative groups.[12] The adaptive value of religion would have enhanced group survival

TeslaTrooper Wrote:I feel that even atheists who act decently, are going on the religious precedent set before them.

As stated before, religion was only going on the precedent already set, so giving it credit for anyone's morality, theist or atheist, is incorrect.



Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 7:26 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 8:23 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 8:33 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 8:57 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - August 31, 2011 at 1:33 pm
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 9:00 am
RE: Morality - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2011 at 9:25 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 9:37 am
RE: Morality - by Thor - August 31, 2011 at 10:10 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 10:12 am
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 10:31 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - August 31, 2011 at 10:44 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 2:57 pm
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 10:49 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - August 31, 2011 at 10:51 am
RE: Morality - by downbeatplumb - August 31, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - August 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 1:42 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:40 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - August 31, 2011 at 3:41 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 3:55 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - August 31, 2011 at 7:38 pm
RE: Morality - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Morality - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2011 at 4:08 pm
RE: Morality - by Cinjin - August 31, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 1, 2011 at 3:44 am
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - September 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm
RE: Morality - by MilesTailsPrower - August 31, 2011 at 10:23 pm
RE: Morality - by Darwinian - August 31, 2011 at 10:39 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 12:17 am
RE: Morality - by Welsh cake - September 1, 2011 at 2:00 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 1, 2011 at 5:49 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 1, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 1, 2011 at 9:15 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 5, 2011 at 3:26 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 6, 2011 at 4:05 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 6, 2011 at 4:25 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 7, 2011 at 3:50 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 6, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Morality - by Welsh cake - September 1, 2011 at 8:39 am
RE: Morality - by paintpooper - September 1, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 1, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 2, 2011 at 1:08 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 2, 2011 at 3:37 am
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 2, 2011 at 4:45 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 2, 2011 at 9:58 am
RE: Morality - by KichigaiNeko - September 2, 2011 at 7:42 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 2, 2011 at 7:44 am
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 2, 2011 at 8:05 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 2, 2011 at 8:20 pm
RE: Morality - by KichigaiNeko - September 2, 2011 at 7:46 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 2, 2011 at 7:54 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 2, 2011 at 10:02 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 2, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 7:56 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 5, 2011 at 3:53 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 5, 2011 at 7:12 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 7:40 am
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 9:49 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 11:35 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 5, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 5, 2011 at 5:57 pm
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 5, 2011 at 10:03 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 6, 2011 at 2:12 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 6, 2011 at 3:21 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 4:21 am
RE: Morality - by ThomM - September 7, 2011 at 2:41 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 3:37 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: Morality - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 3:48 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 4:33 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 4:27 pm
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 5:47 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 7, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Morality - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: Morality - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 5:50 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - September 7, 2011 at 6:38 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 8, 2011 at 11:38 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 6:43 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 8, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 4:56 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 9, 2011 at 4:52 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 9, 2011 at 4:59 am
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - September 9, 2011 at 6:04 am
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 9, 2011 at 12:26 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 5:02 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 9, 2011 at 7:39 am
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 3:10 pm
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 9, 2011 at 8:35 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 11, 2011 at 2:33 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 9, 2011 at 7:01 am
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 9, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 9, 2011 at 11:53 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 9, 2011 at 12:37 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 9, 2011 at 1:03 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 10, 2011 at 8:06 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 10, 2011 at 11:05 am
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 10, 2011 at 12:51 pm
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 9, 2011 at 3:16 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 10, 2011 at 11:13 am
RE: Morality - by downbeatplumb - September 11, 2011 at 4:31 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 11, 2011 at 7:36 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 9:45 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 11, 2011 at 9:27 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 9:58 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 9:47 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 11, 2011 at 10:11 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 10:34 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 11:09 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 11:11 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 11:13 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 11:15 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 12, 2011 at 5:00 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 12, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 12, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 12, 2011 at 6:34 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 15, 2011 at 6:11 pm

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