Morality

[TeslaTrooper]

I have a question, TT. How old are you? Were you alive in the 1950s/60s? If not, what are you basing your opinion that the UK in the 50s was 'more moral' than today? A lot of media (such as the Daily Mail) like to paint this rose-tinted picture of the past when looking at current problems, trying to convince us it wouldn't have happened back in the good old days so they can push their agenda of the moral decline of society. Of course the reality is completely different. Bear in mind that we have far greater access to information now, so it's much easier to see examples of it happening.

You also can't have it both ways. Your original post said that you felt the loss of religion has resulted in a loss of morality or something. It's been pointed out to you that very religious countries tend to be much more violent and have higher crime rates.

In short, your entire point is demonstrably false and is very selective in choosing to ignore all the bad things that have happened in your apparently more moral times. The civil rights movement happened after the time you're talking about. If that's not a positive moral step, what is?

im early 20s. This the argument my gf puts across to me also. So I cannot verify what it was like exactly in those times, but only from what people say, so I guess in that sense I cannot really make a true comparison. But yes it would be the media, but also the older generations that have highlighted the stark differences in current society and past society.

Well when I think of religious societies that are still very violent I immediately think of the islamic countries in the east. But again like I said i feel this may also have a cultural/ east vs west dimension to it as I find most christian communities/ countries to be very peaceful.

Perhaps I am being selective too. Like I said, im going round in circles in my head. trying to fathom it all out. Not claiming anything I say as true. But just having a good old discussion

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So, as long as we worship something everything will be okay. Excellent, I have some biscuits and gravy, let us pray. You do realize that some amazon tribes still engage in cannibalism yes? I mean other than eating people, they're fucking squared away with christ. Moral principles would absolutely exist without christianity because they were formed well before christianity. There is no chicken or egg situation here. I totally understand the analogy to the UK breaking the chains of religion and then failing to live up to the notions of freedom. We should go back to a time when religion was in control. The inquisition sounds nice, is the wayback machine ready yet? That you think that "cavepeople" were "without religion" because they were without christianity is flat out epic. Ice cream only comes in one flavor for some I suppose.

You have an issue with rolling around drunk in gutters? ::end conversation::

Lastly, the people who flew airplanes into the twin towers were practicing exactly what was preached to them. The people who burnt "witches" alive were doing exactly what was preached to them. The moral argument for christianity is a joke.

True but I feel religion can evolve. Modern day christianity in some places has evolved to the modern world. Some churches allowing female ministers gay marriage etc. Im not saying we should go back, as we never can. Perhaps what Im saying is we need to adjust things slightly.