RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 13, 2018 at 11:13 pm
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2018 at 11:31 pm by He lives.)
(March 13, 2018 at 10:18 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(March 13, 2018 at 9:03 pm)He lives Wrote: A few bad apples is not a good defence. Scientists have had failures too. Just saying.
Jormungandr Wrote:What kind of a response is that? Are you suggesting that some OBEs are fake but that others are real? Based on what? They appear to be the same phenomena, the only reason you want to suggest otherwise is because concluding that they are all hallucinatory is in conflict with your argument. That's not a reason to believe there is a difference between hallucinatory OBEs and those for which it's an open question. This is just wishful thinking on your part.
Quote:I already know there are some people who wrote fake NDE stories. I have read many books on NDEs and watched TV shows,etc. I believe that most of the full blown NDEs are reputable. An unfortunate consequence is there is a high divorce rate for people who have NDEs. I believe this is due to the great change in lifestyle and conviction that comes to those who experience an NDE. Some of the people who have had NDEs have come back with greater knowledge as was the case with Rajaa Benamour. One of my neighbors had a NDE. She has since moved. She told me about what she saw and how it changed her life. In her life review she was shown how she could have done some things differently. Each story, though different, is kind of like another piece of a puzzle to me as I want to know what the spirit world is like. I also believe that testing people who have never had a real OBE or a did not have a NDE, is not practical or reliable.
(March 13, 2018 at 10:29 pm)Succubus Wrote:(March 13, 2018 at 9:03 pm)He lives Wrote: A few bad apples is not a good defence. Scientists have had failures too. Just saying.
Succubus Wrote:I think the point Jörmungandr was making was, each and every time these claims are looked at in depth the conclusion is always the same; no evidence of the afterlife is found. The same goes for UFOs, alien designed pyramids, Bigfoot and perambulating Irish statues.
Just saying.
eta, Ninja'd
How many NDE books have you read to get your in depth conclusion?