RE: Morality
September 1, 2011 at 5:49 am
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2011 at 5:54 am by ElDinero.)
Dude, Northern Ireland is PART OF THE UK! Your whole point is completely fallacious. All you've managed to reach now is that 'most Christians in the UK are peaceful'. Yes, and that's because of the change in the moral zeitgeist, largely brought about by secular people and groups. Religion has been forced to adapt to these societal norms or be frozen out. The Church is populist by its very nature, it couldn't still support slavery, even though the church was in favour of it a century ago, because it needs people to follow it.
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with the geographical stuff. The Bible doesn't mention Scandinavia because it had no clue about it. The people who wrote the Bible hadn't been there and didn't know what the people were like, or that there were even any people there. It's the same reason it only refers to animals that existed in that region of the world. Where are all the polar bears and marsupials on the ark? Again, not sure what you're angling at here.
To be honest, your thoughts on almost every point you've made are either based on nothing or just extremely muddled. The thing about most Christians in the UK being peaceful is just a reflection on the fact that most people generally in the UK are peaceful. You wouldn't believe it to read the front page of the Daily Mail but even the recent riots were the actions of a tiny, tiny minority. Your original argument that it is in any meaningful way related to the decline in religion is just to ignore history, like the way you glossed over my list of countries above. What do you mean 'ok, they may be Christian countries as such'? Why don't they qualify?
On the subject of whether the UK is a secular state, by the way, it's an oddity in that to the letter of the law it is definitely not a secular country. The Queen is the head of the church and head of the state. We are officially a Christian nation. However, in practice, we really act in a more or less secular way, and the ties to the church are usually ceremonial in nature. Almost the exact opposite of the USA, in fact.
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with the geographical stuff. The Bible doesn't mention Scandinavia because it had no clue about it. The people who wrote the Bible hadn't been there and didn't know what the people were like, or that there were even any people there. It's the same reason it only refers to animals that existed in that region of the world. Where are all the polar bears and marsupials on the ark? Again, not sure what you're angling at here.
To be honest, your thoughts on almost every point you've made are either based on nothing or just extremely muddled. The thing about most Christians in the UK being peaceful is just a reflection on the fact that most people generally in the UK are peaceful. You wouldn't believe it to read the front page of the Daily Mail but even the recent riots were the actions of a tiny, tiny minority. Your original argument that it is in any meaningful way related to the decline in religion is just to ignore history, like the way you glossed over my list of countries above. What do you mean 'ok, they may be Christian countries as such'? Why don't they qualify?
On the subject of whether the UK is a secular state, by the way, it's an oddity in that to the letter of the law it is definitely not a secular country. The Queen is the head of the church and head of the state. We are officially a Christian nation. However, in practice, we really act in a more or less secular way, and the ties to the church are usually ceremonial in nature. Almost the exact opposite of the USA, in fact.
