Morality

[TeslaTrooper]

Dude, Northern Ireland is PART OF THE UK! Your whole point is completely fallacious. All you've managed to reach now is that 'most Christians in the UK are peaceful'. Yes, and that's because of the change in the moral zeitgeist, largely brought about by secular people and groups. Religion has been forced to adapt to these societal norms or be frozen out. The Church is populist by its very nature, it couldn't still support slavery, even though the church was in favour of it a century ago, because it needs people to follow it.

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with the geographical stuff. The Bible doesn't mention Scandinavia because it had no clue about it. The people who wrote the Bible hadn't been there and didn't know what the people were like, or that there were even any people there. It's the same reason it only refers to animals that existed in that region of the world. Where are all the polar bears and marsupials on the ark? Again, not sure what you're angling at here.

To be honest, your thoughts on almost every point you've made are either based on nothing or just extremely muddled. The thing about most Christians in the UK being peaceful is just a reflection on the fact that most people generally in the UK are peaceful. You wouldn't believe it to read the front page of the Daily Mail but even the recent riots were the actions of a tiny, tiny minority. Your original argument that it is in any meaningful way related to the decline in religion is just to ignore history, like the way you glossed over my list of countries above. What do you mean 'ok, they may be Christian countries as such'? Why don't they qualify?

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On the subject of whether the UK is a secular state, by the way, it's an oddity in that to the letter of the law it is definitely not a secular country. The Queen is the head of the church and head of the state. We are officially a Christian nation. However, in practice, we really act in a more or less secular way, and the ties to the church are usually ceremonial in nature. Almost the exact opposite of the USA, in fact.

The bible reference was basically suggesting it was all garbage, as it was heavily contextual to that time period and region.

Well I agree with what you are saying in that Christians in England are largely peaceful perhaps because English people themselves are peaceful. Same goes for those countries you labelled as violent such as those mentioned in South America. Perhaps christians are violent because their society is violent, not because they are christians. I agree that religion has been forced to adapt to the modern world, but I feel now that in England it is Christians that appear to be leading the way in terms of morality (back to original point). Maybe we as non believers need to similarly adapt to some of the ideals that the church are advocating without being religious.

For example one of my friends attended an evangelical church, and stated " I tried to brainwash myself into believing it. Its a shame the sense of community and moral standards didnt have to come with a serving of bullshit".

I wouldn't qualify those other countries as Christian countries, as I dont feel they are pushing an overbearing Christian agenda. Take Spain for example. Very catholic society, recently had a visit from the pope. When I go to spain I dont feel that the state and catholicism are intertwined, I still feel there is a seperation

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But yes I would agree. My arguments, thought processes theories are often quite muddled, conflicting and difficult to follow in a rashional manner. I guess one of the reasons for this is either im mentally unstable, or quite unsure on alot of issues. Either way its worth exploring further