Morality

[ElDinero]

I agree that religion has been forced to adapt to the modern world, but I feel now that in England it is Christians that appear to be leading the way in terms of morality (back to original point). Maybe we as non believers need to similarly adapt to some of the ideals that the church are advocating without being religious.

I wouldn't qualify those other countries as Christian countries, as I dont feel they are pushing an overbearing Christian agenda.

Ok, I've asked this already, with regard to this first point, on what basis do you claim that Christians are leading the way in terms of morality? What's your data for this? Can you point to any examples? I think you are displaying enormous selective memory. Of course we all know Christians who are good people and do community work and display a moral compass, and the kind of passive religion you're describing is common here in the UK. But churches have historically been the LAST to change their stances on issues of morality, and this is still visible in the world today when you look at issues surrounding sex and science. One day, the church will support stem cell research and some already promote contraception, but it's really only because they can't get away with denouncing it any more. Make no mistake, if the Mormon church could still be an officially racist organisation as it still was in the 1970s, they would be.

The second part of your post that I've quoted above is just bollocks. Just because you haven't been there and experienced it, and it's not as widely reported in the media, doesn't mean it isn't happening. If you went to one of those countries, you could easily find yourself persecuted, threatened or attacked just for saying you weren't a Christian. Many of them are currently, right now, fighting wars down strictly religious lines against neighbouring countries that follow Islam/Judaism/something else. So don't even try and speculate that they don't push a Christian agenda just because it doesn't suit your argument.

I don't understand why you're persisting with this. It simply is not true that Christians or religious people generally are more moral than the average person. To say we need to adapt to their teachings is to give them undue credit. You think concepts like 'love thy neighbour' and 'do to others as you would have done to you' are Christian concepts? They predate Abrahamic religions by thousands of years.