RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 20, 2018 at 6:17 am
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2018 at 6:17 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 20, 2018 at 3:31 am)Banned Wrote:What on earth are you talking about..........?(March 18, 2018 at 8:37 am)Khemikal Wrote: So...here's the trouble.
If you accept that these chemicals have "specific activities"...it doesn't matter much whether you think goddidit. If chemicals have "specific activities" -however- they ended up that way is all the explanation required for why things made of chemicals have "specific activities". If you want to add "godidit" to the list..fine, but you'll have to show a god. Until then..the rest of us will posit that the "specific activities" account for self assembly..for example..in life, and your acceptance of those "specific activites" is acknowledgement that the chemicals can self assemble.
Could have been pixies, or the loch ness monster, or maybe it;s just a brute fact...but no matter what that answer is, you've already acknowledged the point of contention and made "god" incidental in the process. One of any number of ways or reasons for some state of affairs x..but, once that state of affairs exists..there's no need of reference to the incidental anymore. Regardless of whether goddidit, it were brute fact, or if the loch ness monster sprinkled fairy dust all over organic chemistry...what it would do..is what we see it doing - because that's the nature of those chemicals...they have specific activities.
Yes it is possible, if not common, to look at something designed and dismiss the inventor. There's a lot of people who drive cars but are clueless about the designers.
(March 20, 2018 at 6:09 am)Banned Wrote:You're working with novel interpretations of engineering and happenstance, then.(March 19, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote: DNA is neither engineered -nor- a product of "happenstance". It's deoxyribonucleic acid, one of those chemicals with "specific activities"- in this case self replication...constrained on all sides by organic chemistry and demonstrably a product -of- organic chemistry.
I think it is both - DNA, like any element and chemical activity is a design which allows for random results, but it also has certain attractions at each level to produce the desired product.
I guess you could compare it to computers starting off with very strict and limited programs to produce predicable activities.
Having achieved that we are happy to throw in randomness for the sake of AI.
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