(March 25, 2018 at 8:58 am)Hammy Wrote:(March 22, 2018 at 8:05 am)Whateverist Wrote: That comes awfully close to what the religious say about finding faith.
He was being a sarcastic dick.
Nah, it was just a play on words. You know, philosophy = "love of wisdom".
(March 25, 2018 at 8:58 am)Hammy Wrote: Those people who think science is the answer to everything and have no respect for philosophy, are far more dogmatic than those who understand the limits of it. Philosophy even deals with the limits of itself, not just of science and other subjects. That's why metaphilosopy is a thing.
Maybe the thing to say here is that there is a reason there is a branch of philosophy dealing with science, but no field of science focused on philosophy.
(March 25, 2018 at 8:58 am)Hammy Wrote: It really is the grandfather of profound and deep discourse. Big talk instead of small talk. You wouldn't even have politics without philosophy. Why do you think democracy and philosophy both started in ancient greece? There wouldn't even be any science without philosophy. And again, like I said, the fact that Lawrence Krauss speaks of a universe coming from "nothing" and then goes on to talk about something, and gets rightly criticized for that not just by philosophers, but by less philosophically ignorant physicists.... the fact you get people like Krauss making a complete ass of himself, is just one of many examples of why philosophy matters.
While I agree that Krauss was an asshole with his everything from nothing shtick, I don't think of philosophy as something lofty. I prefer plain talk. Some topics just are complicated but most ideas are capable of being stated simply. And I don't put well known philosophers on a pedestal. For the most part the shelves which fill a philosophy library are only interesting historically. It can be interesting to see what ideas have engaged people over the centuries. Few are directly useful to any current issue.
