The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.

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Mk..just ask yourself -with total honesty- about this:
How in hell would someone jump from this:


to this:



To become:



?
The person feeding you these info is not just wrong; if I excused you for your health; I will never excuse them, because this is insulting: plain and simple.

I thought this was about Abraham. Why the hell am I reading about "Shiite leaders"; again?
I know it's not your fault; but the fault of the spoon that fed you this to say. I repeat my advice to you: ignore your society's orders; ignore your parent's orders too.

It's obviously related if the Quran relates the two in the Surahs that discuss these topics.   For example verse 3:7 is about interpretation, but than who are those to be relied on for it?

It takes us to the past, and reminds of the likes of Imran, Zakariya, Yahya, Isa, and Mariam.  They were a reliable means to get insights that would make people see the Torah as it was meant to be seen.

Instead people follow conjecture and misguiding leaders who God didn't give authority to. And in that discussion, also says, all Prophets would teach the people to be sages/scholars by which they teach of the book and by what they study.

And it talks about a rope from God and rope from humans, and we know in Bani-Israel the chosen successors of Moses were the rope from humans, while the holy revelations and books were the rope from God, together, they form the rope of God.

That is one Surah, and in fact, this discussion re-occurs through out the Quran, from many angles, from many perspectives.

Of course hadiths are minefield of poison and falsehood, so we are to seek refuge in Quran, but Quran is a minefield of misinterpretations that our mind put on it, so we are to seek refuge in hadiths, and together, we can make it out of the minefield.

I know you think how does it all work. But really, who else is going to show the proper understanding but God's appointed Guides, and where else will we verify that understanding but through the experience of the book which is the source of their high exalted knowledge.

And it's endless ocean this path.

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No. Bear with me and re-read what I wrote:

AtlasS33 said:

How in hell would someone jump from this:

Mysticknight said:

In all this, we must seek refuge in guidance from God.

to this:

Mysticknight said:

The leaders that are guided by God become a refuge of safety.

To become:

Mysticknight said:

In all this, we must seek refuge in guidance from God. The leaders that are guided by God become a refuge of safety.

My point is very simple here: where do you get your interpretation from?
What is the context you rotate around every time you open a religious topic?

You already answered in the post above:

Mysticknight said:

The leaders that are guided by God become a refuge of safety.

Your context is Shiite Islam. And Shiite Islam has nothing to do with the Quran or whatsoever. Check this link:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1639955

MK: you are doing exactly what you are being told by your ancestors and society. You are not thinking for yourself. This is my point.
If you "surrender" your fate to people; you'll find yourself hitting a wall before you know it. Think for yourself; that's what I said.

I'm trying to help you. I already saw the books you preach -in their native language; too-: nothing there but wasteland.