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The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son.
(March 28, 2018 at 5:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(March 28, 2018 at 5:35 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Does the above, relates to the Shiite faith?

Yes it does, because the jealousy was always regarding the chosen guides of God and the truthful followers were always hated out of jealousy to their link to the Guides. Abraham was rejected not because people didn't want to believe in a Creator, people hated the idea of Abraham vested with the authority of God.

The same Surah goes to talk about Leadership and Kingship and Prophethood and Messengerhood in all this.

Belief in Prophets has two aspects.

1. Need of revelation from God (you accept this)
2. Need of Leadership of his trustees (you reject this).

God said in Quran he could if he wanted to just send books from the heavens without interpreters or representatives. He could also have made Angels as the rulers and representatives on his behalf.

But he chose not to. 

The witness we will be called with are from ourselves, a human living among humans, a leader and navigator who we will be called to account with and will testify against us.

A big theme of Quran is about the witnesses. 

I don't think it's enough to believe in holy books to believe in Prophets just as it's not enough to believe in leadership from God to believe in Prophets.

You have to believe in the guiding nature of scripture along side the Leaders who guide by his command, the latter being Prophets in all times, except when God sealed Prophethood, those who possess the authority from us were no longer prophets.

And the seal of revelation is to unite humanity. God doesn't just decide to put an end to revelation and the Master King promised to restore justice and balance to the world is part of the plan. 

And if you don't see that and the warnings regarding him, you see very little in Quran.

I still don't see how this relates to my question here; MK:

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The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 12:17 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by drfuzzy - March 28, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Foxaèr - March 28, 2018 at 12:33 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by brewer - March 28, 2018 at 3:22 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by LadyForCamus - March 28, 2018 at 3:24 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by robvalue - March 28, 2018 at 12:56 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Edwardo Piet - March 28, 2018 at 4:35 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by The Valkyrie - March 28, 2018 at 1:02 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Chad32 - March 28, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by LadyForCamus - March 28, 2018 at 1:06 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Minimalist - March 28, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by WinterHold - March 28, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 3:27 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by WinterHold - March 28, 2018 at 4:25 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Antares - March 28, 2018 at 3:13 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 3:17 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Brian37 - March 28, 2018 at 3:18 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 4:00 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 4:34 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Brian37 - March 28, 2018 at 4:46 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 4:05 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 4:31 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by WinterHold - March 28, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 5:08 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by WinterHold - March 28, 2018 at 5:35 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 5:45 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by WinterHold - March 28, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by WinterHold - March 28, 2018 at 5:41 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 4:35 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Brian37 - March 28, 2018 at 5:08 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Minimalist - March 28, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 5:55 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by LadyForCamus - March 28, 2018 at 6:35 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Edwardo Piet - March 28, 2018 at 6:07 pm
RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Brian37 - March 28, 2018 at 5:25 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by WinterHold - March 28, 2018 at 6:45 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 6:45 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 6:55 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2018 at 7:46 pm
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RE: The Abrahamic sacrifice of his son. - by Brian37 - March 28, 2018 at 8:29 pm
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