RE: The Philosophy of Mind: Zombies, "radical emergence" and evidence of non-experiential
April 22, 2018 at 8:21 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 8:23 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 22, 2018 at 8:07 am)Hammy Wrote: And none of those things require consciousness.You don't think that art, society, and civilization (or human relationships)...in human populations....... are derived from and dependent on conscious experience, the communication of conscious experience, and the organization of conscious experience?
You keep saying that these things don't require consciousness, that may or may not be true, but so what? So what if there are other ways to x?
Quote:I'm not concluding that. Consciousness as qualia appears to provide no evolutionary or reproductive (obviously reproductive is evolutionary utility. There you go stating irrelevant truths I already know as if it interacts with my point when it doesn't again) function or utility. Other things do provide utility, but you take away qualia and you don't appear to lose any utility at all. How many times to I have to point out Strawson's point without you addressing it? How many times do I have to point out multiple points without you addressing them?If you take away qualia (whatever that is) you take away a fundamental difference between an ant colony and a human civilization....so, you know, it seems like it might strip a few advantages from us..even if some other creature (or even a non biological) might be able to do it or something at least vaguely similar without that perception.
Are you more attracted to dolls or unconscious human beings than conscious human beings? Do those descriptions of qualia as art or communication..or collectively as culture and civilization, reproductively advantage human beings?
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