RE: The Philosophy of Mind: Zombies, "radical emergence" and evidence of non-experiential
April 22, 2018 at 8:32 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 8:38 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 22, 2018 at 8:25 am)Hammy Wrote: So then my point is correct. What do you mean "so what?"? My entire point is that consciousness doesn't appear to have a function... and the evidence supports that. And remember, I'm talking about consciousness as qualia, so make sure you don't equivocate on that.Your point, and I'm being generous in calling it that, is that consciousness doesn't serve a particular function that you obsess over. It's a point on which we're in agreement, but not a point that supports a lack of -evolutionary- utility.
Quote:Taking away qualia is taking away the seeming, away the subjective experience.Yeah, the shit we paint on canvass and then seek to instantiate in the world. The shit we form elaborate ethical and legal systems around. What we kill and die for.
Selectively neutral?
Quote:The entire point is our brains didn't have to evolve with conscious experience. Yes, our brains have evolved to have conscious experience, but there doesn't appear to be any evidence that consciousness is providing any function, and there appears to actually be evidence to the contrary. So, this makes behavioral philosophical zombies possible.If that was the entire point you could stop at that..but you didn't because it isn't. You've been asserting that there is no evolutionary utility to consciousness. That seems highly unlikely regardless of what consciousness is, how we arrive at it, or whatever else it doesn't do...or whether or not some legitimate philosophical zombie could achieve something similar some other way. I also agree that consciousness did';t have to evolve in the brain..but whatever it is, it did, and we've been leveraging it to tremendous effect ever since.
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