RE: The Philosophy of Mind: Zombies, "radical emergence" and evidence of non-experiential
April 22, 2018 at 12:23 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 12:23 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(April 22, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote:Quote:To a non-conscious robot, a painting it interacts with is only a noumenal object, it's not experienced as a 'painting' like it is to us.-and?
What does a robot and what it does (or doesn't do or experience) have to do with a human being, what it does or experiences, and what evolutionary advantages that conferred or contributed to?
The fact you say "and?" to that shows you don't understand it.
Now you've regressed so far you're just cherrypicking half of a sentence in my gigantic post. You reply to 5% of what I say and don't even accurately address any of it.
You're getting worse. The amount of questions you've ignored, the amount of times you've misrepresented me. You're beyond help in this discussion. You're a waste of energy. You're not even discussing with me, you're just interacting with your own cartoon version of my points in your own head. You've shown you're incapable of having a discussion with me and you're going back on block/ignore. I have better people to talk to (pretty much anyone who actually responds to my points, whether they do it well or not).
You have failed to address my point that whilst art and civilization wouldn't still exist as phenomenal objects without qualia (by definition), they'd still exist as noumenal objects... so by building phenomenology into the definition of all of the objects themselves you're simply begging the question.
What does a robot have to do with it?... lmao. I was drawing an analogy. I was saying that without qualia the painting would still exist in the same way that it would to a non-conscious robot. There would still be the noumenal object of the painting. The robot simply wouldn't see what we think of as a 'painting'. You've gone from terrible at discussion to worse than terrible at discussion and are a complete waste of my energy. I may as well be talking to a brick wall. You're probably stoned lol. Bye Khem.
EDIT: Oh hang on you added more text into your post.
