The Philosophy of Mind: Zombies, "radical emergence" and evidence of non-experiential

[The Grand Nudger]

I find Hammy's mannerisms in these discussions interesting.  That's how I manage it.

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Our brains are complex and a side effect of that complexity is human consciousness.

I agree. 

You have not shown that human consciousness actually does anything,

I certainly don't think that it's a free willing machine...and I guess if I limited what I would consider "doing anything" to being a free willing machine it would be easy for me to conclude that consciousness was, therefore, useless.  I don't have such a narrow definition of evolutionary utility, though.

If I like to fuck real girls more than I like to fuck dolls....then the selective advantage of consciousness is demonstrated.  I think consciousness contributes more than that, but that would be all that was required to reject the idea that consciousness is an effect without effects, or an effect without selectively relevant effects.

Conveniently, I do prefer real girls..so... -shrug-..............?

All you have is your own incredulity... and how it seems to you personally that consciousness must be doing something. Sorry, but I don't care how you feel, I care about the actual evidence and the distinction between behaving conscious and actually being conscious, a distinction that appears to be completely beyond you. You merely assume that consciousness has evolutionary utility, and that consciousness is required for civilization and art, without any evidence to support that, and despite all evidence to the contrary. I provided a Strawson quote to point out how consciousness isn't required for those things, and like all my points you completely ignored Strawson's point as well.

Oh, cmon, that can't be entirely true.  You're an empathetic guy, you probably care..at least a little bit..how I feel.  You might even be able to imagine yourself in my shoes.  I make many assumptions..such as the necessary assumption of your consciousness in any empathetic analysis..commonly thought to be a selective advantage in populations capable of managing it.  I don;t actually make the assumption that consciousness is required for civilization, though I do note that our consciousness has contributed immensely to ours..and our civilization is widely regarded as a selective advantage for our species.  

Another strawman and begging the question. Like I already admitted, consciousness doesn't have no effects whatsoever, it just has no useful effects.

At least some of those effects seem to be selectively advantageous, even though there are other ways to achieve a similar effect.