Morality

[TeslaTrooper]

I guess I am persisting with it because im going off what I see and hear with my senses. Unless my senses are flawed then It is one of the primary things a person can go off. Again back to morality rather than genocide, wars or persecution. If I take my group of friends for example. They will be out taking drugs, banging girls right left and center, drinking too much, possibly having a punch up, and have no sense of family or community at all. To me most of their behaviour I would class as immoral.

Now if I take my brief encounter with the church people I met whilst one of my friends was involved with them, they did not engage in any of the above acts. They were waiting for marriage before sex. Their lives were heavily around the family unit, and around their christian community. When my friend was trying to rope me into it, the snapshot I got was something wholesome and even something I would like to join (if it were not for the religion aspect).

Your senses ARE flawed, and your perspective unbelievably skewed. You're basically an ultra-conservative. You belong right in with the super-Christians. You've shown how shallow your perception of what morality is with this post, and in the same breath given us all a dazzling insight into your priorities. You're not bothered about persecution, harassment and violence (not large scale violence, anyway. Your idiot mates getting in scraps outside a nightclub, maybe) despite the fact that these are inherently moral issues. No, what you want to see a stop to is sex, drugs and rock and roll, the REAL bane of society. The only real question is why you are 'friends' with people that you think are taking us down a moral sewer?

So now you've shown your colours, how about backing them up by answering me this: On what basis do you say that personal drug use including drinking and pre-marital sex are immoral acts?

Someone who can overlook genocide and centuries of cultural bullying because religious people don't fuck before they get married seems to me to need to reassess their perspective.

On wouldnt neccessarily suggest that those acts are immoral in themselves, I myself drink and have sex out of marriage with my girlfriend. I would not like to see a ban on "society" or freedom of choice. Its something I believe very strongly in. Even if we are to make the wrong choices, it is our right to do so. I think that was the issue again I was getting at. How can people make the right choices, without that structure or boundary in place. And again what can be determined as "right". One persons right is anothers wrong.

With regards to those so called friends, the point I was getting at is they would not regard what they are doing as immoral. They regard it as fun. Infact most people that hit the town centers every weekend would feel the same way. Even when they are face down in the gutter vomiting and pissing in their pants.


I feel you are being overly critical of me without truly knowing were Iam coming from, and infact misinterpreting what Iam saying. Perhaps Iam not getting my words out properly or not explaining properly. I think you understand partially better from your comment in my introduction thread.

At no point I feel have I overlooked all the bad things done in the name of religion. Such as genocides, wars, massacres, bullying, degredation of women etc etc. But It was not relevent to the context I was referring too. Any abhorrant acts in the name of religon are always wrong. But let us not forget that wars and massacres etc are also waged on other accounts such as greed, pride, land, lust, pride etc.

These issues are relevant, but I was referring to morality in the context of u.k society. I wasn't particularly referring to massacres in bosnia or somalia, or the witch hunts of salem.

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I'm tired of this "the 50s were awesome" crap...

In the 50s:

-Rampant racism: the first interracial kiss on TV wasn't until 1968 !! (on Star Trek ).
-Women rights were essentially not present.
-Gay rights were essentially not present. They were not even allowed to serve in the military.
-Protection of minorities was essentially not present.
-Children's rights were essentially not present, which is why many of the pedophilia scandals date from that time.
-Discrimination was socially acceptable.
-The Cold War: witch hunts, fear of nuclear holocaust, suspicion between neighbors...

Do you consider those things better than what we have today ? Is getting drunk and having sex really bad compared to open racism and hatred of anyone different ?

But at the same time there are still issues we are dealing with today, that would suggest we have not moved on that far ahead.

-We are now in a new cold war of sorts
-Racism is still very present, intra ethnic racism is rampant
-Childrens rights may have not been present, but if we now see some of the results of that, we have kids not afraid of the law kicking peoples heads in to death. Not afraid of the police because "they know their rights"
- As we saw on the news, child sex convictions are going up. Surely that suggests kids are still being abused today as then?
-Discrimination although not socially acceptable, still exists, and has merely turned into "institutional discrimination"


I would not know about how life was in the 50s as I was not there. But surely this nostalgia comes from somewere. Were is the belief that things are getting worse coming from? Where there is smoke there is fire, and there is usually some truth to it, even if just a hint.