(September 6, 2011 at 4:05 am)TeslaTrooper Wrote: On wouldnt neccessarily suggest that those acts are immoral in themselves, I myself drink and have sex out of marriage with my girlfriend. I would not like to see a ban on "society" or freedom of choice. Its something I believe very strongly in. Even if we are to make the wrong choices, it is our right to do so. With regards to those so called friends, the point I was getting at is they would not regard what they are doing as immoral. They regard it as fun. Infact most people that hit the town centers every weekend would feel the same way. Even when they are face down in the gutter vomiting and pissing in their pants.
I feel you are being overly critical of me without truly knowing were Iam coming from, and infact misinterpreting what Iam saying. Perhaps Iam not getting my words out properly or not explaining properly.
Maybe you aren't. Not my problem. You've said some really, REALLY baseless things in this thread, and I am responding to them. Example: YOU said you regard most of your friends' behaviour as immoral, citing examples of drug use and pre-marital sex. That is a ridiculous and borderline offensive thing to say, so I've challenged it. Now you say they aren't immoral acts? And then two sentences later, say 'they would not regard what they are doing as immoral'. So my question again is: Why should they? What is immoral about what they are doing (being violent is obviously not the same thing)?
If I'm being critical it's because you are doing stuff like the above. With regards your point to Rwandrall, I have already explained this. No, there is no basis for saying things were 'better' or 'more moral'. If you had been alive in that time, you would have found people from the 1890s saying how much worse things were. And the same in the 1890s from people who lived in the 1830s. Do you really think that things have been getting continuously worse for hundreds of years, or do you think that it's just people's tendencies to cling to things they know and like? To use a more contemporary example of this, ever notice how people always think music is getting worse than when they were a kid? Same thing.
