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Morality
RE: Morality
(September 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The notion that early religions focused more on females and security and doing good to each other is a pleasant fiction. Borne out of the desires and political leanings of modern researchers more than any actual evidence. Chief amongst the proponents of this theory is Marija Gimbutas who despite being a world class scholar eventually fell prey to describing a history she wished was present, but did not actually exist.

I think that the overall interpretation is still valid.
When females are given status (as they certainly used to be) the very nature of protecting and providing for has to be accepted. when the weak in a society are respected more than the strong for qualities of communication home building and family care. Some measure of difference exists.
Not to mention freely availble sex without silly religious dogma. Thats got to be 'Good'.
I dont think Marija Gimbutas is Chief of anything and of course its very easy to criticise prehistory (that's what we are talking about) because it was prehistory.
Too many try to interpret history using today's values and mores which of course is just silly. The underlying trend is clear.

When males became interested in community at all coincides with the start of male dominated (paternalistic) religions. Its likely this was at least motivated by the increase in wealth (not a hand to mouth existence) and the realisation that sex and conception were linked.
That in particular meant men needed to know who their children where (still not guaranteed) so they didnt support the children of other men or pass their wealth and property (now it existed) to others.
The result is paternalistic religion and a strict and cruel imposition on females. Sex restrictions. war with others who don't agree, clothing restrictions and even mutilation all play apart.

Support for this comes from anthropological studies in the Pacific and other islands where woman are respected often as equals and sex was not a taboo until the arrival of (Christianity / Islam).

The Trobriand Islands in particular show that conception and sex were often not accepted as related. The picture on these islands being even more confused by the contraceptive effects of the local yams.

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Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 7:26 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 8:23 am
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RE: Morality - by ElDinero - August 31, 2011 at 3:41 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 3:55 pm
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RE: Morality - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:00 pm
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RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:05 pm
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RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 5, 2011 at 3:26 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 6:31 am
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RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 8, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 4:56 am
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RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 11, 2011 at 9:27 pm
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RE: Morality - by Violet - September 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm
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RE: Morality - by Violet - September 12, 2011 at 6:34 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 15, 2011 at 6:11 pm

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