So, Brits. How's Brexit Going?

[Pat Mustard]

Even Boris Johnson assumed they would lose. He wanted to be the heroic leader of a doomed movement. The look n his face when they won spoke volumes and he went into hiding for a bit until he worked out new tactics.

Yeah I agree that there was definitely a sense that the Remainers would win. After all, people generally prefer the status quo and you're right that there was a definite protest vote going on to effectively smash the system. But this still doesn't explain why both EU citizens and British expats were excluded from voting in the referendum. Even people from the Commonwealth were allowed to vote. I can't square this with any of the other theories about what caused Brexit.

I'm wondering if those in charge of implementing the referendum planned for the protest vote and made sure this happen by persuading David Cameron, a remainer who expecting to win, to make it clear in people's minds that the government was pro-EU. After all, we know from general elections that if it seems too likely that one side is going to win then their supporters don't always bother voting and this means that they end up losing.

I really want to know more details about what went on behind the scenes.

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Don't give voters too much credit.  We had a similar choice in 2016 and look at the pile of noxious shit we ended up with.

True. I forget that things are now different in Scotland. The independence referendum really energised the population because for once they felt like their vote actually meant something. The issue was debated in depth for a long time up here in all the media and engaged a lot of people. For too long now it hasn't made any difference how Scotland has voted. We still end up with the government decided by English voters because there are just so many more of them. Listening to the piss-poor barely thought out reasons from relatives I know down south, many seemed to just parrot simple views fro newspapers.

The thing about the tory camaigning before the referendum is they used it to placate the far right brexiteers in their ranks and the far right brexiteers who'd decamped to the kippers and the bnp. They made no effort to push remain properly because they weren't interested in speaking to the majority but to the fringe.

Oh and next time you speak to your friend ask them if the government is so remain why is Maybot so lenient on the brexit wing of her party. Every time they contradict her they get a promotion every one of their amendments is caved in to. Even the Chequers white paper got a serious hard brexit rewrite since first being revealed to cabinet and Bojo the Clown's resignation.

Hell, Maybot herself was the most hardline brexiteer until two weeks before the referendum.