ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity

[The Grand Nudger]

And now, you invade modern culture and claim that it is western?

.....?  

You do know and realize that "Mocha"; the coffee, is an Islamic discovery, right?

It's not, lol...it's just one of the many things muslims found to be profitable coming out of africa...like all those slaves, lol.  This would be like claiming that the british "discovered" tea, or that the european conquistadors in N. America "discovered" tobacco.

You do know and realize that Ancient Egyptians used perfumes, right?

As far as we can tell, all cultures have dabbled in fragrance to increase their appeal (or cover their stench, lol).  

You do know and realize that Muslims showed Europe the "mirror", right?

Perhaps you should spend more time looking in one before getting into all this nonsense?

You do know and realize that it is Muslims who founded "modern Chemistry", right?
For the reader who want to read more about the achievements of my ancestors, here are they in this great headline from the "independent":
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien...06905.html

We've been engaging in chemistry since 3k bc.  I'm already familiar with islamic contributions to chemistry,..and in general carrying the torch when europe went another route for a few hundred years.  

So who is having the values of whom?

You clearly have western values, lol.  All the coffee, perfume, and mirrors in the world don't change that fact.  It's just a consequence of how history turned out.

To me, you seem like a cheap copy of Muslims guarded by atomic bombs, and doesn't use water to clean after using the toilet.
We dominated the world once, and the west took our values to escape the dark ages. So please; don't try to turn the table upside down, respect the mind of the reader.

You did....and then you lost it.  This included a huge of amount of western thought..expressed directly and verbatim in your magic book..in addition to the vast stores of near eastern thought.   Then you did your own thing for a few centuries until the empire imploded (like they do).  That's how conquest works.  To the victor go the spoils.

All of this tallying up is pointless anyway. The ummah isn't actually going to win some big dick contest of contribution with the west, and it wouldn't matter if it did anymore than our ability to win the big dick contribution contest means that we didn't get into some nasty shit on the way up. This is something you're clearly ware of when it comes to the great satan...but then For Some Reason™ lose your shit when it comes to Big Mo and his gang.

I don't agree with you. The Prophet -peace be upon him- was known for his skills as a merchant, I'm not. Matter in fact, I suck at business. Moreover, he established a business with his wife -a woman- 1400 years ago, traveled a lot too. I didn't do any of that.

You remind me of a person from this age, comparing himself to a Roman citizen 2000 years ago in terms of technology and feels superior. How sad is that.

So he was good at selling rugs...in addition to raiding and pillaging enemy towns in order to increase his collection of human chattel.  So what?  At least you aren't out there raping and pillaging.  No amount of being able to turn a dime washes away that stain.  

In any case, I'm not a moral relativist. I don't have any trouble saying that we've improved since the 4th century, or that you have improved since the 6th. You don't seem to have much of an issue with pointing out shortcomings either, when you're bitching about whitey....but then, For Some Reason™ you lose your shit when it comes to Big Mo and his gang.

It was a terrible empire, full of dicks. You know that...that's why you feel compelled to engage in revisionism in the first place. Similarly, western imperialism was also terrible, and a history full of dicks. The difference between you and I is that I don't need to bullshit myself or anyone else about that. It wasn't my baby, and I don't go around telling people that slavers and warlords are exemplars of human behavior that we ought to emulate. I see our past mistakes as instructive lessons, you and jihadists both take them as aspirational, lol.

Frankly, had ISIS contented themselves at the summit of their organizational ability with the territory and resources then under their control - it's entirely likely that they could have arisen from the ashes of war as a credible governing authority. Their ambition exceeded their abilities, inspired by a revisionist view of history not at all dissimilar to your own (and that's not the only point of agreement between you, lol), and a belief that they were doing the work of allah entirely like that of the early muslim conquerors. They sought to do what was once done so well - and failed.

The "Israeli Secret Intelligence Service" again..oh boy.

There's another thing you share with ISIS.  Your very islamic certainty that whatever happens, Teh Joos and The Great Satan are to blame. Again, jihadists are people who feel the same way you do, and have decided to do something about it.