RE: Atheist Bible Study 1: Genesis
October 26, 2018 at 3:20 pm
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2018 at 4:41 pm by Bucky Ball.)
(October 26, 2018 at 3:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: Sorry, late to the show but here is the meaning of Genesis 1.1
1. In the [beginning] God created, the [Heaven] and the [Earth].
There you have it: Time - Space - Matter.... in the proper order I might add! All dependent on each other.
God isn't dependent on any of these items. We are! And to think God is subject to His own creation is dumb.
Saying "before the beginning", is doing just that. Nothing "but" God predates time!
If you want to understand God, you have to first think like Him!
Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
.... more later! maybe
We know what the Hebrew cosmos looked like, and what they knew about it.
It's is entirely intellectually dishonest to attempt to claim that there was any knowledge of "space, time or matter" in the Hebrew knowledge base. None. You have none. It's delusional.
Too bad for you, "created" is an action verb, and without time already in place, it's meaningless. How can one "start to create" when no time exists ? "Creation" is a meaningless term until these are explained.
Did your god intend to do this ? If so, THAT required time already in place, and renders the words "created time" meaningless.
Don't bother to tell us that your god is special, and exists outside space-time ... that's special pleading and meaningless.
What qualifies you to tell anyone what an ancient Near Eastern text means or says ? Do you interpret Harry Potter also ?
This very "coming into existence" was pointed out to W Craig by Dr. Seam Carroll in their debate. Craig had no answer for him.
You have no evidence for any of this.
Using the Bible to prove ANY Biblical/religious idea is circular. What did you THINK they were going to say ?
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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