(November 2, 2018 at 2:19 pm)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:(November 1, 2018 at 10:21 am)Drich Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin_trial_of_Jesus
I did not say an american court did I? At Christ's trial the court (The only suitable court that could be used to judge him) ordered him executed because they recognised him as the Son of God.. But because they had not power to execute him (the priest took him to the roman authority) Pilate point blanked asked him if he was who the claimed and Jesus said I am but my kingdom is not of this world.. Pilate then responded I can find no fault with this man...
honest question=honest answer.
foolish challenge/gottcha questions= me being put on your ignore list.
Hey, pal, could you hold that goalpost still? Because it's hard to work when you keep moving them.
You talked originally of whether Jesus' existence could be proved from a "court point of view." That was what I responded to. You then argued that the only thing that matters is the court that ordered his execution. Well, duh. obviously the court that ordered his execution believed he existed, just like the gunman that shot Spider-Man's uncle believed Spider-Man's uncle existed. The problem is there is precious little evidence that either incident (Jesus' condemnation and the murder of Spider-Man's uncle) ever actually happened.
You can't use Jesus' execution as proof of Jesus' execution. That is circular reasoning. It is begging the question.
There is no evidence Pilate ordered Jesus' execution outside the second-hand reports of historians whose only evidence was the testimony of Christians who lived decades after the alleged events happened The truth that Plate's habits were grossly misrepresented (he NEVER released prisoners out of respect for Passover) are a strong indication that the entire story is a fabrication.
It may well be that Pilate ordered Jesus' execution. But beyond a reasonable doubt? Hardly. By a preponderance of the evidence? Not really.
At BEST, it fits with what we know about the timeline and what Pilate would have done to a man who called himself King in 30AD or so.
Decide for yourself if that's enough evidence, but using the gospel to prove the gospel i kind of dunderheaded. I could prove the authenticity of the Koran using the same standard, if you would stand for it.
what a moronic thing to say..
first you claim I'm moving the goal posts, but I never assigned a ourt to judge Christ. you did. you assumed your experience was indeed what was being discussed and when you found out it was wrong, you claim the failable logic was mine. in fact you simply jumped the gun. then you create a straw man example of circular reasoning which I never pointed to or used, You are saying using a court ruling is circular reasoning to affirm the ruling when in fact a court's ruling is the only legal way to affirm the ruling. what you failed to take into consideration is the authority of the court or in this case pontius pilate...
Meaning even you do, or at least did not doubt his existence. even with only 1 historical reference found on an authenticated piece of stone found in 1961.. such is true for most figures of that era.. all except ceasar who has a few thousand points of reference and then there is Jesus with 25,000+ manuscripts. now how is it the testimony 1 greater than that of25K?
