We are trying to stay in Genesis, I apologize for interjecting other scriptures into this study. That is a hot mess of quotes drich and I think it's copy and pasted twice as well. You are trying to make two points.
1. the point that there are degrees of sin. I agree that to us there are degrees of sin. Catholics have dissertations on mortal an venial sins. We all know there's several types of lies, lies of omission, blatant lies etc. . We recognize morally that they're all lies and all wrong. My only point was that to a Holy God there is no fiference between someone who cheats on his taxes and Hitler.
2. Abraham and Lot were pre-law and therefore not held to the law of moses. I thought I completely agreed with that. If you want to say Abraham was different than post-law gentiles because he had direct communication with God, it doesn't bode well for you having direct communication with God does it? Lot was not subject to the law of Moses and wasn't part of the covenant.
If you're trying to make this 3rd point I respectfully disagree:
3. sin doesn't make you evil necessarily. I completely agree with the idea you can sin and eventually still be saved. Let's just look at Lot's wife, she was perfectly fine, and escaping God's wrath (was she righteous then?) until she directly disobeyed God and turned around. Boom pillar of salt. I don't expect Lot to see his wife in Heaven because she literally died sinning against God. Here's how sanctification goes:
Sin-acknowledge-Repent-accept forgiveness The Jews just add atonement at the end because they believe works get you into Heaven.
Sin is turning away from God. If God is good then Sin is turning towards Evil and away from good and God. Therefore sinning makes you evil, you can argue the degree but it misses the point. Sinning is an act, it happens in a moment. It doesn't matter if you're cheating on taxes or murdering your wife's sister to a Holy God. We have all sinned to some degree and that makes us all, at least some part, evil. Righteousness is also an action; acting in accord with divine or moral law. Same argument applies to righteousness then, you can be both partially righteous and a partially sinful as a whole person, just not at the same exact moment in time.
1. the point that there are degrees of sin. I agree that to us there are degrees of sin. Catholics have dissertations on mortal an venial sins. We all know there's several types of lies, lies of omission, blatant lies etc. . We recognize morally that they're all lies and all wrong. My only point was that to a Holy God there is no fiference between someone who cheats on his taxes and Hitler.
2. Abraham and Lot were pre-law and therefore not held to the law of moses. I thought I completely agreed with that. If you want to say Abraham was different than post-law gentiles because he had direct communication with God, it doesn't bode well for you having direct communication with God does it? Lot was not subject to the law of Moses and wasn't part of the covenant.
If you're trying to make this 3rd point I respectfully disagree:
3. sin doesn't make you evil necessarily. I completely agree with the idea you can sin and eventually still be saved. Let's just look at Lot's wife, she was perfectly fine, and escaping God's wrath (was she righteous then?) until she directly disobeyed God and turned around. Boom pillar of salt. I don't expect Lot to see his wife in Heaven because she literally died sinning against God. Here's how sanctification goes:
Sin-acknowledge-Repent-accept forgiveness The Jews just add atonement at the end because they believe works get you into Heaven.
Sin is turning away from God. If God is good then Sin is turning towards Evil and away from good and God. Therefore sinning makes you evil, you can argue the degree but it misses the point. Sinning is an act, it happens in a moment. It doesn't matter if you're cheating on taxes or murdering your wife's sister to a Holy God. We have all sinned to some degree and that makes us all, at least some part, evil. Righteousness is also an action; acting in accord with divine or moral law. Same argument applies to righteousness then, you can be both partially righteous and a partially sinful as a whole person, just not at the same exact moment in time.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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