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Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me?
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RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me?
(January 9, 2019 at 4:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 9, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Whether trump could have committed treason to a large degree depend on interpretation of the word “enemies”.   If the interpretation is broad, then trump can fry, or preferable end in a manner much much more prolonged and continuously unpleasant.

Actually, 'enemies' is legally defined (as regards treason), so there isn't a lot of room for interpretation.

But don't get me wrong - Trump is an absolutely vile, corrupt president, and few things would make me happier than to see him frog-marched out of office. But treason?  Nope, not yet.


Boru



I think the definition of enemies is not as clear cut as those who reasonable would wish the definition to be clear cut thinks.

The definition of enemies is generally taken to mean parties with whom the US is in ether a declared state of war, or in open war.

An declaration of war can certainly be retroactive, as some declarations of war in American history has been.   Notably American declaration of war against japan after Pearl Harbor was retroactive to the attack on Pearl Harbor itself.

So it is certainly possible for the US to declare today a state of has existed with Russia since the day before yesterday, thus what trump did yesterday to give aid and comfort to Russia was treason.

The question is what can be spun as a plausible causus belli the day before yesterday and thus the declaration of war itself can be made to seem legitimate.   This is all very banana-republicky,  but we are living in a banana republic now, and it does not seem nearly as improbable now as it did two years ago that the US will attain that level of banana-ness in the future.
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Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Jade-Green Stone - January 8, 2019 at 11:32 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Aoi Magi - January 9, 2019 at 1:04 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Nay_Sayer - January 9, 2019 at 2:35 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Anomalocaris - January 9, 2019 at 4:55 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by HelenMaxxeen - January 14, 2019 at 11:37 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 9, 2019 at 5:44 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Dmitry1983 - January 9, 2019 at 6:11 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 9, 2019 at 6:12 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 9, 2019 at 9:21 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Rev. Rye - January 9, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 9, 2019 at 3:20 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Brian37 - January 9, 2019 at 3:24 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 9, 2019 at 3:26 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Brian37 - January 9, 2019 at 3:30 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by downbeatplumb - January 11, 2019 at 11:21 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 11, 2019 at 11:53 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Pat Mustard - January 14, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Brian37 - January 9, 2019 at 9:25 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Divinity - January 9, 2019 at 10:48 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Brian37 - January 9, 2019 at 11:57 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by brewer - January 9, 2019 at 10:54 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Angrboda - January 9, 2019 at 12:16 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Jackalope - January 9, 2019 at 1:01 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Brian37 - January 9, 2019 at 3:45 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by tackattack - January 9, 2019 at 7:23 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by tackattack - January 9, 2019 at 11:15 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by no one - January 9, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Rev. Rye - January 9, 2019 at 11:44 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 10, 2019 at 5:06 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Javaman - January 10, 2019 at 10:20 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 11, 2019 at 1:35 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Fake Messiah - January 10, 2019 at 1:46 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 14, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 14, 2019 at 4:18 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by T0 Th3 M4X - January 14, 2019 at 8:11 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Fake Messiah - January 15, 2019 at 11:46 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by RobbyPants - January 16, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Fake Messiah - January 19, 2019 at 1:59 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Yonadav - January 19, 2019 at 4:23 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Duty - January 17, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Yonadav - January 17, 2019 at 7:36 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by GODZILLA - January 18, 2019 at 8:18 am
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Yonadav - January 22, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Someone Explain This 'Shutdown' to Me? - by Rev. Rye - January 22, 2019 at 9:39 pm

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