post 41 Bahana Wrote:
I do not trust the NIV. I've heard from Biblical scholars that the NIV translators were evangelically biased and used some funny business to cover up the difficult verses. In older versions of the NIV on Genesis 1:14 they used the word expanse when firmament may be more accurate. In ancient Mesopotamia the sky was viewed as a solid dome that held back water. I just checked and they changed it to "vault" in the current version. I admit it's easy to read but I no longer trust it based on what several scholars have said.
Not sure what your point is, but it is funny that you do not (“I do not trust the NIV. I've heard from Biblical scholars”) trust the NIV.
post 42 possibletarian For instance in the story it gives the impression Adam & Eve were blissfully naked, then they understood what nakedness was and covered up.
That is not to say that nakedness is a sin, but that the knowledge of it forced a reaction to it.
We can’t know most about what the fall brought about but there are things to be considered. How was it that A & E now “knew that they were naked;” How is it that they now “knew” evil? Why was it that they “sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.” Was this from guilt & shame?
“...the man and his wife hid themselves...” This was the first not good day on the earth. So it is & so it shall be till the end of time. Man, in sin, hides from God. Why, because there is nothing man can do, in & of himself, to rectify his sin - disobedience or whatever you want to call it
“The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me...” Nothing has changed in the ensuing ages since this first sin. People blameshift all the time. “...the woman said, “The serpent deceived me,...” Eve got no further than Adam with the blameshift game. I fail to see how you or I would fare any better when we stand before God on judgment day.
All of these points, issues, conjectures were not covered in the posts so I bring them up.
post 45 Shell B "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." In doing so, he would have had to create the Sun. Well, then why isn't there any light until two lines later?
This creation is obviously a one-time event. What the new creation will be - I will wait & see, being totally grateful to God that I am there to marvel in it.
post 47 Bahana I'm an atheist that reads it like mythology. I'd like to get the original author's intent though, if possible.
2 Timothy 3:16 “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
post 49 Shell B And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
What is this fucking gibberish? Did they think the sky is made of water?
I'm so bored.
Lets think - a vault - this is something that is used to place something precious in. Water comes from the sky - water is precious as life ceases without it. Am I missing something?
post 50 sdelsolray According to the story, water existed on the first day. Water contains oxygen. Oxygen is only formed in stars and only dispersed at the end life of some of those stars. According to the story, stars were not created until the fourth day. Therefore, no oxygen was available on days 1-3 to form water.
Duh - I am so dummm! I thought this was a creation narrative. Now it’s somewhat clearer to me. God waited till the stars gave Him the oxygen He needed. Thanks for showing me my ignorance.
I do not trust the NIV. I've heard from Biblical scholars that the NIV translators were evangelically biased and used some funny business to cover up the difficult verses. In older versions of the NIV on Genesis 1:14 they used the word expanse when firmament may be more accurate. In ancient Mesopotamia the sky was viewed as a solid dome that held back water. I just checked and they changed it to "vault" in the current version. I admit it's easy to read but I no longer trust it based on what several scholars have said.
Not sure what your point is, but it is funny that you do not (“I do not trust the NIV. I've heard from Biblical scholars”) trust the NIV.
post 42 possibletarian For instance in the story it gives the impression Adam & Eve were blissfully naked, then they understood what nakedness was and covered up.
That is not to say that nakedness is a sin, but that the knowledge of it forced a reaction to it.
We can’t know most about what the fall brought about but there are things to be considered. How was it that A & E now “knew that they were naked;” How is it that they now “knew” evil? Why was it that they “sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.” Was this from guilt & shame?
“...the man and his wife hid themselves...” This was the first not good day on the earth. So it is & so it shall be till the end of time. Man, in sin, hides from God. Why, because there is nothing man can do, in & of himself, to rectify his sin - disobedience or whatever you want to call it
“The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me...” Nothing has changed in the ensuing ages since this first sin. People blameshift all the time. “...the woman said, “The serpent deceived me,...” Eve got no further than Adam with the blameshift game. I fail to see how you or I would fare any better when we stand before God on judgment day.
All of these points, issues, conjectures were not covered in the posts so I bring them up.
post 45 Shell B "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." In doing so, he would have had to create the Sun. Well, then why isn't there any light until two lines later?
This creation is obviously a one-time event. What the new creation will be - I will wait & see, being totally grateful to God that I am there to marvel in it.
post 47 Bahana I'm an atheist that reads it like mythology. I'd like to get the original author's intent though, if possible.
2 Timothy 3:16 “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
post 49 Shell B And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
What is this fucking gibberish? Did they think the sky is made of water?
I'm so bored.
Lets think - a vault - this is something that is used to place something precious in. Water comes from the sky - water is precious as life ceases without it. Am I missing something?
post 50 sdelsolray According to the story, water existed on the first day. Water contains oxygen. Oxygen is only formed in stars and only dispersed at the end life of some of those stars. According to the story, stars were not created until the fourth day. Therefore, no oxygen was available on days 1-3 to form water.
Duh - I am so dummm! I thought this was a creation narrative. Now it’s somewhat clearer to me. God waited till the stars gave Him the oxygen He needed. Thanks for showing me my ignorance.
