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Trumps base is starting to erode.
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
(February 3, 2019 at 4:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(February 3, 2019 at 11:59 am)Yonadav Wrote: Yeah, totally agree with you about the red and blue aristocracies. And you know that I would totally vote for Bernie if he could get the nomination. And I would vote for him if he ran as a third party candidate.

There is a left. But we got obliterated by the divide and conquer strategy of identity politics. It is impossible to talk about the gentrification of the Democratic Party with Democrats, because they just point to the interior decorating they did in the House of Representatives with diverse people. You know, trickle down diversification. We're not just adding tokens of diversification to the aristocracy or anything.
 
I am close to a hundred percent certain that Bernie can't run this time. Some people who blame him for Hillary's loss have been busily preparing a smear campaign against him, should he enter the race.

The democratic party would be seen as radically right wing by UK standards, and we aren't that left wing. The US has been nudging further and further right for decades until the last election where you took a massive lunge to the right which has emboldened the worlds arseholes.

Our left took an ass beating in 1972. Centrist Dems have been terrified of leaning left ever since. The New Democrats completely took over the party in the 90s. The New Democrats are guided by a think tank called The Progressive Policy Institute. Al Frum says that he named it that so that the media would not call it the Democrats conservative think tank.

I don't think that Trump's election was a massive lunge to the right. We've been trending to the right, largely with the help of the New Democrats. If there was a massive lunge to the right, it happened during the rise of the Tea Party and the Republican capture of the House in 2010. 

I'm not certain how much you can blame us for emboldening the world's assholes. Before Trump, there was Brexit. And before that, illiberal democracies were on the rise. I don't think that it is possible for a democracy to become illiberal without illiberal elements dominating both the right and the left. So we have a huge problem with a growing illiberal mentality.  It's convenient to put it all on Trump. But that's giving Trump way too much credit. He has been putting on the world's most embarrassing shit show, but Trump is a symptom and not the disease.
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Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 21, 2019 at 7:40 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 21, 2019 at 8:42 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Brian37 - January 21, 2019 at 8:51 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 21, 2019 at 9:43 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 21, 2019 at 9:55 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 21, 2019 at 10:06 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 21, 2019 at 10:38 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 21, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 21, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 21, 2019 at 9:10 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Fake Messiah - January 21, 2019 at 12:05 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 21, 2019 at 12:46 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by downbeatplumb - January 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 21, 2019 at 2:40 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 21, 2019 at 2:50 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 21, 2019 at 3:03 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by downbeatplumb - January 21, 2019 at 4:18 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by EgoDeath - January 21, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Amarok - January 21, 2019 at 8:01 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by EgoDeath - January 21, 2019 at 8:07 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 21, 2019 at 10:06 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by EgoDeath - January 21, 2019 at 10:09 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 22, 2019 at 9:18 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by EgoDeath - January 22, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Pat Mustard - January 26, 2019 at 8:57 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Brian37 - January 26, 2019 at 9:30 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 26, 2019 at 9:49 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Brian37 - January 26, 2019 at 8:00 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by EgoDeath - January 26, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by downbeatplumb - January 22, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Amarok - January 22, 2019 at 6:46 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Pat Mustard - January 22, 2019 at 9:14 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Figbash - January 21, 2019 at 9:04 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jane2d - January 21, 2019 at 9:41 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jade-Green Stone - January 22, 2019 at 8:06 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 22, 2019 at 10:08 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Drich - January 22, 2019 at 2:58 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Cecelia - January 22, 2019 at 6:03 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 22, 2019 at 7:40 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Anomalocaris - January 22, 2019 at 11:13 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 22, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Amarok - January 22, 2019 at 9:14 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Fake Messiah - January 25, 2019 at 3:07 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by onlinebiker - January 26, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2019 at 3:10 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Fake Messiah - January 28, 2019 at 4:25 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by GODZILLA - January 26, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - January 26, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by GODZILLA - January 26, 2019 at 11:01 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by downbeatplumb - January 27, 2019 at 6:47 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by GODZILLA - January 27, 2019 at 2:17 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 27, 2019 at 2:45 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by downbeatplumb - January 27, 2019 at 4:40 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 27, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Fake Messiah - January 28, 2019 at 10:44 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by DLJ - February 3, 2019 at 10:51 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - February 3, 2019 at 11:59 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by downbeatplumb - February 3, 2019 at 4:45 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - February 3, 2019 at 5:25 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Fireball - February 3, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by The Grand Nudger - January 28, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 28, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 28, 2019 at 1:57 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by The Grand Nudger - January 28, 2019 at 12:50 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by The Grand Nudger - January 28, 2019 at 3:50 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - January 28, 2019 at 3:59 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by The Grand Nudger - January 28, 2019 at 4:01 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2019 at 4:28 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Jehanne - February 2, 2019 at 10:14 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Anomalocaris - February 2, 2019 at 11:02 pm
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - February 3, 2019 at 9:21 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by onlinebiker - February 3, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by downbeatplumb - February 3, 2019 at 9:40 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by Yonadav - February 3, 2019 at 10:38 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by onlinebiker - February 3, 2019 at 10:27 am
RE: Trumps base is starting to erode. - by no one - February 3, 2019 at 10:38 am

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