(March 19, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Drich Wrote:You're getting desperate.(March 19, 2019 at 11:10 am)Yonadav Wrote: Wow. Way to repeat what I told you without acknowledging the point. Unless two valid witnesses actually saw her committing adultery, then there is no stoning. Joseph could have demanded that Mary drink the bitter waters, in which case she would have either died after drinking if she was guilty, or suffered no ill effects if she were innocent.
I haven't read the NT, so I had to look up the story of your boy judging an adulterous woman. It was hilarious. Yet another NT story that clearly wasn't written by Jews.
just because you touched the based first, does not mean you represented them correctly. Yes you have knowledge, but you also know how to spin it to read as you want. or did you not know both liberal and conservative jews are born of the same law? All you demonstrated is a liberal view and I represented a more traditional 1st century view. I understand the spin most jews want to place on their history and respect the idea of not wanting to shite on their past, but at the same time it is what it is. and if you do not have the stomach to have a discussion like this, then know i am not forcing you to be apart of it. Meaning just as you find reason and belief to not want to think your ancestors would kill someone from basically something not even considered a crime. I find lots of reason (primarily because adultery is one of only 3 automatic death sentence sins, if and when it is verified.) and in this case the husband denying sex with his wife EVER, his word would be without question. pushing back the demand! to verify her virginity or face the consequence of stoning.
That said if you are stuck on the rule of two..
Her husband would be a witness to her adultery and her new born would be the second.
I didn't present a liberal view. I studied in a Orthodox kollel for several years, for several hours every day. My religious education is of a decidedly non-liberal nature. I have studied Sotah. You are reasoning like a goy. Again, being pregnant is not something that one can be stoned for. The law really is that at most, Joseph would have been able to demand that she drink the bitter waters.
I can't believe that we are arguing about this, because I am certain that you know that people can't be sentenced without witnesses to their crime-- it says that very clearly in the bible.
And the bible really clearly says that a man who suspects his wife of being unfaithful to him has no other recourse than to demand that she drink the bitter waters. You know that.
We do not inherit the world from our parents. We borrow it from our children.