RE: Enough of this crap, I want to hear directly from god
November 19, 2020 at 4:35 pm
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2020 at 4:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 19, 2020 at 4:22 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Riight.. You just missed the part where you have to prove that this is a world without a god.....That's where you're wrong. I didn't miss it...I don't have to prove that this is a world without god to demonstrate why children imagining things or thinking teleologically isn't a good indication of a god.
I can suggest that there are facts about children which explain this.
Nor do I have to prove that there is no god to demonstrate that purpose can be and is conceived of without one.
Quote:No, Kloro, I don't see why not, and I don't think that you will be able to explain why there simply couldn't be an afterlife without a god, or why there simply couldn't be any karmic effect without a god.
You don't see why not ? Then you are a more gullible person than all religious people. If there is no all-powerful god, then resurrecting dead people is the most unlikely thing imaginable. And there is no good reason to think there is one. Religions incorporate the idea of an afterlife precisely because it requires the magic of an all-powerful being to actually happen.
And come on. Does karma account for the holocaust? or the holodomor ? or an innocent Iraqi girl being raped, then butchered in front of her family by american soldiers - angels of democracy ? No, I don't think karma or any other silly definition you might have of purpose can replace a real, hardcore afterlife to make up for this injustice.
Remember, whenever you babble about your own god I think that it sounds as silly as you think other peoples superstitions are.
If, ultimately, it's true that there is no afterlife and no god and no karma..then sure, bad people go unpunished. Arguing that it would be bad if something were not true is not the same as arguing something is true..and, in fact, arguing that something must not be true because that would be bad....is a textbook example of a bad inference. Sometimes...bad things are true.
Quote:I think children don't consider the existence of god that much. Now I ask you again what purpose are you referring to, that you think children can see, is it some prospect of a better future ? some noble dedication to some particular way of life .. ? As I said, once we take away the divine, the word purpose takes less interesting meanings.Who knows what purpose they see, you'd have to ask them. I've noticed that my kids see all sorts of purpose - and not always the same purpose, in this or that. You may find purpose outside of a god less interesting, but that's not the same as purpose outside of god not existing or being possible.
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