(November 17, 2011 at 2:22 am)Ziploc Surprise Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 1:40 pm)Ziploc Surprise Wrote:I see I missed over responding to your post, and I apologize, allow me to address your points.
1- I’m glad we agree logic, reason and science provide better answers and better models for problem solving and determining reality.
2- I did watch the videos and I’m fairly certain I showed where emotional reactions are equally applicable to anti-theists. Congratulations, people exhibit reactions consistent with rejection, it still doesn’t validate the generalization. No one’s addressed the points so far so feel free to take a crack, I’ll even lay them out neatly for you.
a. The U.S is not the only place that’s screwed up, I don’t think anyone’s close to a utopian society yet.
b. Some Christians do exactly the opposite of what Jesus wants them to do.
c. Unwavering faith wouldn’t feel threatened by atheism. Again doesn’t apply to all Christians.
d. Ignorance is accepted because the majority are ignorant, regardless of their theological views. Address education not theological belief.
e. The Quran speaks about not questioning God, often enough. I've yet to find a verse in the Bible where God doesn't ask us to test and question what we believe. Although there are many verse supporting introspection. Rebut with mainstream Christian dogmatic belief please. If not it’s an Islamic belief not Christian.
f. Intolerance is not justified, but when exhibited, it doesn’t come from people feeling like atheists are committing a big crime. At worst case it could be an overly concerned care for their afterlife. Regardless it’s not justified.
3- Atheism is associated with loosing the freedom of religion/speech, generally. I can even use this particular community to show an example, as I hijack the thread to talk about freedom of religion.
a. If I were to close all my posts with “God Bless”, or say things like, “’l’ll be praying for you” how many instances would it take before I got a note from the moderators. Not many I promise, I know. This is an atheist community and I knew coming in and during my tenure as a moderator that it is not accepted practice. Why am I not free to express myself and my religious practices? Simple, because atheists don’t want to hear it here. I fully support that. Why then in a larger society would the minority not expect to have their opinions censured? Perhaps theists get sick of hearing “Fuck God” or “This one time in bible study..”. I’m sure all of the atheists on here have very good reason for being atheist. I’m of the mindset, you can believe what you like. I’m even willing to discuss those beliefs and mine.
b. Then you use your broad brush to paint all Abrahamic theists as opposed to atheists having their freedom of speech. Then you toss in “we aren't dealing with rational people”. I’m not even diving into those logical and intellectually repugnant fallacies. Here’s some change to add to your intellectually bankrupt posts, just so your piggy bank won’t be empty.
c. If you review your law, it’s not banning of mandatory prayer that happened, it’s banning of all prayer and bible reading. That’s not limiting another’s rights how? Wouldn’t the true null position when someone else is praying, be not to pray? I agree in the past it was forced, which is wrong in public school, but if your child goes to a religious based private school, should you really expect them to ban bible reading and prayer so your delicate ears don’t have to hear?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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