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Anything But An Atheist. How come?
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RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come?
(November 18, 2011 at 11:54 pm)Ziploc Surprise Wrote:

1a)so belief causes emotions. I agree, lack of belief doesn't? atheists aren't emotional then?
2b&c) So we agree then that it's logically not sound that those with unwavering faith would be abusive.
2e)You still haven't addressed yet. I still hold not questioning your beliefs is a Muslim practice, not a Christian one.
3) Theology and Science are not similar in respect to the properties of purpose and scope therefore it is a false analogy. I do agree with your point that literal interpretation fundamentalist theology does deny scientific evidence, especially in young Earth Creationism. That would apply to young Earth fundamental Christians though, and not to all, or even mainstrem Christianity. Ignoring presented, validated evidence is ignorant we can agree on.
4) I agree that breaking the separation of church and state in order to impose Christianity on other people is as irrational as preventing Religious expression. Mandatory school prayer (which is not something I experienced in public school) is as bad as not being allowed to say grace at the lunch table. Mandatory school prayer in a private religiously based school, is within the rights of the school and should be expected.
5)Let me give an example to illustrate my point. Let's suppose for this argument (not true in reality) that I am an avid racist. I spout hate speech all day within the confines of my private home. It has private access so there is no one to be offended. Let's say I post up a huge sign with hate speech on my front lawn on a main thoroughfare. Aside for putting my family at risk, it's my private property, but there is public access to it. People are offended in the community and attempt a petition to censure my free speech. Regardless of the legality/success, an attempt at censure would be made because there was an offender and offendee (public access to private domain).
6)You made the point that "Atheism is somehow associated with loosing the right to practice whatever religion you wish". If atheists truly didn't want to censure public speech or public displays of religious practice, why are there groups protesting the creationist museum. Why petition to ban prayer prior at town council meetings? Wouldn't the null position be to just not pray or let the ignorant believe what they like?
Freedom of Speech is grounded in utilitarianism, not in an inalienable right, as rights are granted by the society they govern. If you want to not pray over your meal in a restaurant, fine I have never put any pressure on anyone to do anything they were opposed to. I've never seen anyone forced to pray, even in Church. I think what it really boils down to is that some atheist feel offended at religious expression because they feel the internal compulsion to conform. I'm sorry, but with Public access your freedom to express, or lack thereof, should be allowed, unless it damages society. I think a lot of the feelings of victimization or being offended stems from atheist by default assuming theists are wrong/ don't like being subjected to expressions of religious belief. Perhaps we'd make progress if you started by showing an instance of mandatory prayer, as have no experience with it.

As far as the ad hominems and broad generalities go, feel free to "whine" all you like as this is an atheist forum, I'll stick to addressing the points.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Erinome - November 16, 2011 at 8:53 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Diamond - November 16, 2011 at 10:13 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Minimalist - November 16, 2011 at 11:08 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 17, 2011 at 12:08 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2011 at 1:08 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 17, 2011 at 2:22 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by fr0d0 - November 17, 2011 at 4:21 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by tackattack - November 17, 2011 at 5:41 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ace Otana - November 17, 2011 at 6:37 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by KichigaiNeko - November 17, 2011 at 7:13 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 17, 2011 at 9:42 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by tackattack - November 17, 2011 at 10:50 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 17, 2011 at 1:40 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Doubting Thomas - November 17, 2011 at 3:47 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 17, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Heather - November 17, 2011 at 4:15 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Doubting Thomas - November 17, 2011 at 5:05 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by AthiestAtheist - November 19, 2011 at 7:22 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Erinome - November 17, 2011 at 6:43 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by MilesTailsPrower - November 17, 2011 at 6:58 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 17, 2011 at 7:15 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by MilesTailsPrower - November 17, 2011 at 9:23 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 17, 2011 at 10:55 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Doubting Thomas - November 17, 2011 at 7:05 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by EspressoFrog - November 17, 2011 at 7:37 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 5:09 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by tackattack - November 18, 2011 at 7:31 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 18, 2011 at 11:54 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by tackattack - November 19, 2011 at 2:02 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 20, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Mister Agenda - November 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Phaedra - November 19, 2011 at 12:35 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Welsh cake - November 19, 2011 at 6:52 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by J.D. - November 19, 2011 at 4:24 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2011 at 6:31 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 19, 2011 at 7:01 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2011 at 7:10 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2011 at 7:32 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Erinome - November 19, 2011 at 8:00 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 19, 2011 at 8:40 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by twocompulsive - November 19, 2011 at 10:02 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Norfolk And Chance - November 19, 2011 at 10:08 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 19, 2011 at 10:05 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by twocompulsive - November 19, 2011 at 10:38 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2011 at 11:40 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 20, 2011 at 1:49 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 20, 2011 at 4:27 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Erinome - November 20, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Galileo - November 21, 2011 at 8:11 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 21, 2011 at 11:46 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 21, 2011 at 12:42 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Ziploc Surprise - November 21, 2011 at 5:41 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Willpower - November 22, 2011 at 4:31 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Angrboda - November 23, 2011 at 8:21 pm
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by tackattack - November 23, 2011 at 2:53 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by tackattack - November 24, 2011 at 1:01 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by Epimethean - November 24, 2011 at 1:23 am
RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come? - by tackattack - November 24, 2011 at 2:04 am

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