RE: Anything But An Atheist. How come?
November 23, 2011 at 8:21 pm
(This post was last modified: November 23, 2011 at 8:48 pm by Angrboda.)
(November 22, 2011 at 4:31 pm)Willpower Wrote: The Word of God is very specific about how Christians are to conduct themselves towards non-Christians.
“Let your word be always in grace, having been seasoned with salt, to know how it is necessary for each one of you to answer.” (Col. 4:6)
Hate speech is not speaking with grace.
“Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable...” (1 Peter 2:12)
“It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.” (1 Corinthians 5:12 )
“If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”
John 15:6
Picking and choosing that which profits you and ignoring the rest is the essence of cafeteria faith. It is also a lie: the claim to believe the whole while only accepting the parts. It is well known both within and without, yet it is continually recurring. The bible was used both to support and oppose slavery, etc., etc., ad nauseum. This is akin to the creationist tack of reusing refuted arguments, not because they have something new to offer, but because those who are unaware of the refutation are vulnerable in their ignorance. The appeal is not to truth, but to opportunity -- the attack of those who do not care whether or not they are right, nor whether you are harmed by being persuaded of a falsehood intentionally. There is a chapter in the Tao Te Ching which analogizes the Tao to a ruler, for a ruler treats his subjects as dummies, and alike, the Tao is ruthless in its treatment of the ten thousand things. The theist is similarly ruthless, for the aim is to satisfy needs that the theist has, whether or not this is to the detriment of the needs of the person, child or nation they wish to convert.
This is jumping around, but I disagree with darkmatter2525, largely because I think his thesis is not true. But also, it's worth noting that darkmatter2525 doesn't really provide any evidence for his claim, aside from some folk psychological reasonings and pretty words. No science, psychology, or real philosophy involved. (And, I just now note, he also leans heavily on the "science" of folk etymology.) But, for simplicity and expedience, I will fall back on Christopher Hitchens' maxim that, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Until a better demonstration is made, I consign it to the flames.
(ETA: referring to the first darkmatter2525 video, about rejection and self-love being the reality of God.)
(November 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(November 18, 2011 at 7:31 am)tackattack Wrote: e. The Quran speaks about not questioning God, often enough. I've yet to find a verse in the Bible where God doesn't ask us to test and question what we believe. Although there are many verse supporting introspection. Rebut with mainstream Christian dogmatic belief please. If not it’s an Islamic belief not Christian.
I'm thinking Deuteronomy 6:16, which I believe Jesus refers to a couple of times. 'Thou shalt not test the Lord your God'. Of course you specified 'mainstream Christian dogmatic belief', which I have no idea how to substantiate to your satisfaction given the fuzziness of the requirement. However, if you feel justified in putting that on Islam based on your reading of the Qur'an, I think you should be able to accept a similar judgement based on my reading of the Bible.
I picked this bit out because I ddn't see where anybody addressed it, if it was already covered, my apologies.
I think a better passage is John 20:24-29, where Jesus castigates Thomas for his skepticism and Thomas' demands for evidence, and explicitly raises up those who believe without evidence or investigation, saying, "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."