RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 24, 2023 at 10:29 am
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2023 at 10:42 am by The Grand Nudger.)
PZs and EP are in the same book, for sure. Both are dualist propositions - substance for the pz and property for ep. Perhaps that's why they seem like they could somehow support each other? The pz asks us to consider that nothing going on in our heads is the cause for qualia. EP asks us to consider whether the stuff going on in our heads, which is definitely the explanation for qualia, is in some sort of causal closure. That it's output which has no means of being used as input. All intuitions to that effect being illusory - and here again is a similarity, as the asserted behavior of the pz is likewise, illusory.
I also think that subjectivity is a process, and I'm unaware of any physical process which literally cannot have physical effects. When eps say that fear, for example, isn't what causes our hearts to beat faster - that other physical events cause our heart to beat faster and for us to feel fear - I don't doubt it (though I do think there's at least some wiggle room at the margins - prep response). I do doubt, however, that the experience of fear is absent any causal effects or relationships. One wonders how operant conditioning would work, in that case. Does hearing the sound of the bell make the dog salivate? Would a zombie-dog also salivate? Is a prior experience of pain and terror a completely non-operative item in later pain and terror avoidance?
Maybe so, but if so, biology would appear to have missed one hell of an oppurtunity.
I also think that subjectivity is a process, and I'm unaware of any physical process which literally cannot have physical effects. When eps say that fear, for example, isn't what causes our hearts to beat faster - that other physical events cause our heart to beat faster and for us to feel fear - I don't doubt it (though I do think there's at least some wiggle room at the margins - prep response). I do doubt, however, that the experience of fear is absent any causal effects or relationships. One wonders how operant conditioning would work, in that case. Does hearing the sound of the bell make the dog salivate? Would a zombie-dog also salivate? Is a prior experience of pain and terror a completely non-operative item in later pain and terror avoidance?
Maybe so, but if so, biology would appear to have missed one hell of an oppurtunity.
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