The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.

[The Grand Nudger]

Okay, at least for the sake of argument, I'll try and accept your way of talking about it, accepting that mine is most probably flawed, but it nonetheless is how I think about it. Ie in this context I think of hearing as a process, which consists of phenomenal hearing and/or the underlying physical processes that correspond with it. You consider it only the phenomenal experience of hearing. Your view is correct I'm sure, and probably the simplest dictionary definition, but nonetheless when I'm grappling with all of this, my way is how I conceptualise it in my mind. But for the sake of this argument, yes we can agree, zombie-dogs don't hear per se... but they do some equivalent underlying physical process, which results in identical real world consequences, is what I contend.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be obstinate, I do most certainly appreciate your viewpoints on all of this, but there does still seem to be some fundamental or subtle misunderstanding between us, because my answer remains pretty much the same for all of these questions; whatever you experience phenomenally has underlying physical processes (unless you're contending that they don't?, or that some don't?), and therefore any phenomenal fact we learn has a corresponding physical process, just as much as any of the consequences of that fact... we're just looking at them in terms of different levels of description, the physical level and the phenomenal. In practical terms, if it's contended to be a mirror image, then phenomenal consciousness may as well be considered causal... and thus be on full equal terms with the physical underbelly, but just the possibility that that's not the case, as it's envisioned that both levels of description have exactly the same outcomes, then ep and pz's seem to remain conceivable.

You know I love our convos.  

Our world and the zombie twin world are supposed to be completely identical, as we and the zombies are completely identical.... and yet they and we do not result in identical real world consequences for identical real world events.  In only one of the worlds and only one of the creatures, our world and us, does this identical stuff and identical process yield qualia.  

I'm not sure if pz's are conceivable (if logical conceivability is desired for possibility, later down the line) but ep I think is, sure.  In fact, I think that if we're committed to stating, as one does in ep, that a set of physical processes cause phenomenal content - then we couldn't logically allow that there's some creature that has those processes - exactly the same as we do, but not that content.