(July 20, 2025 at 7:21 pm)Alan V Wrote:(July 20, 2025 at 3:07 pm)GrandizerII Wrote: Here are some ideas put into practice that came about thanks to philosophy (and that many of us here consider to be good solutions to many of the problems in this world):
I can keep going, but many problems have been solved* partly thanks to philosophy.
- the scientific method
- government
- laws
- democracy
- secularism
- secular humanism
- human rights
- freedom of speech
- freedom of/from religion
- capitalism
- socialist programs
- ethical guidelines
- pacifism
Science provides the tools in some cases; philosophy provides the ideas in these same cases and many more.
*Note if the question of what counts as "solved" crossed your mind while reading this, just remember what examining that question entails.
Yes, there are unquestionably all sorts of useful spinoffs from philosophy which, like science, are no longer accountable to philosophers. I would include logic in that list.
Yeah, now you're just going through the list and declaring that everything YOU consider worthwhile and successful isn't philosophy, and everything you consider to be not worthwhile is philosophy.
If you were the guy who decides the definitions of English words, I guess we'd have to take your word for it.
The people who write the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy think that logic is a part of philosophy.
https://plato.stanford.edu/search/search...uery=logic
Earlier someone here even claimed that ethics is no longer a part of philosophy. Again, there are those who disagree. For example, Harvard University includes classes on ethics in its philosophy department.
If you have an argument to explain why every field in philosophy has to be a failure by definition, while every field which is successful is not philosophy, you could argue for that, I guess.