The idea of God always existing

[Voltair]

If we remove physics from the equation aka pre-universe who is to say that the uncaused cause in a sense is a fluctuation in matter or something else?

This is a good question. What we know of matter is that is time bound. There is movement and part of it's properties is time. Does it really make sense to say tiny particles all each caused time or that space caused time all of sudden to exist while there was no time?

I think that it's impossible, and anything physical doesn't seem to be able to cause time to begin.

So I conclude it must be an powerful magical type being, because it needs to bring into existence time which is not in existence.

Abstract metaphysical things can't bring time into existence or matter which has time as a property, so it must be a personal living being that has will.

How does one give personal characteristics or deity based characteristics to this cause?

From properly basic knowledge of him (spiritual instinct) or personally I think reflecting on the nature of morality and greatness will point to an Ultimate Moral Being.

But if we ignore that, and look at the fact it has personal will, we can see it has high intelligence, and we an associate moral thought with high consciousness and it seems we been given a lot of good, opportunity to be honorable, etc, which shows good will on part of the First Cause Being(s). We can also see it's immensly powerful and is a magical being.

There seems to be a lot of jumps there. First of all I would agree that as far as matter INSIDE of our universe etc that the cause and effect principle holds true. However how do we know that outside of our universe there are not particles/units of energy that work under a different system? I mean all of this really is mental masturbation in the end but still.

You mention knowledge through self revelation. Not to be insulting but how do you differentiate between your self revelation being legitimate versus it being something you wish to be true? You mention a lot of qualities about this said deity which don't seem to have any basis in evidence. The moral argument for a deity's existence is possible but morality also has strong roots in practicality.

I personally am an idealist with certain morals but it is not because I can root it as absolute truth it is because I think it is what is best. Not to mention the things I hold to have repeatedly shown good results and work inside of reality. For example I do not lie most of the time, not including self disillusionment, but I would most certainly lie in certain circumstances. I fail to see how any of this is proof of a deity. You are attributing qualities based on self revealed experience/knowledge?

What about those of us who, again no offense, don't have this special gift of divine revelation? Are we simply to trust yours? I do not believe anyone can offer any evidence of the supernatural outside of their own mind/beliefs. This may work for self conviction but to the rest of us how do we know it is not all in your mind/a projection of your desires onto reality?