RE: God does not love you...
May 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2012 at 9:22 pm by Drich.)
(May 6, 2012 at 3:48 pm)Shell B Wrote: Theist: God loves you.Allow me to correct your understanding.
Theist: God offers a specific type of Love.
Quote:Bible: God loves you.The bible: God offers Agape Love.
Atheist: If god loves me, why does he do all of this shit (see Bible)?
Quote:Theist: Oh, love does not mean what you think it does.Theist: Your understanding of Love is not what is recorded by the bible.
Quote:Atheist: Oh, that explains everything.Atheist: I know God better than you do so I contend that God is supposed to love me this way. Why? Because I have created a series of contradictions that allow me to disbelieve God.
Quote:Only works if you're speaking to an idiot, drich.It only works if you are an idiot/Atheist with a closed mind.
Also,
Quote:Agápe (ἀγάπη agápē[1]) means "love" (unconditional love) in modern day Greek, such as in the term s'agapo (Σ'αγαπώ), which means "I love you". In Ancient Greek, it often refers to a general affection or deeper sense of "true love" rather than the attraction suggested by "eros". Agape is used in the biblical passage known as the "love chapter", 1 Corinthians 13, and is described there and throughout the New Testament as sacrificial love. Agape is also used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast. It can also be described as the feeling of being content or holding one in high regard. Agape was appropriated by Christians for use to express the unconditional love of God.[citation needed] Before agape love there was no other word to express such great love.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love
Seriously, dude, facepalm.
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Seriously? You do understand that wiki is not actual reference material correct? So if/When I produced actual reference material (as in the last time I had this discussion one or two pages ago) and it contradicts the commentary posted on wiki, their can be no argument from you that the reference material supersedes what the guy who posted on wiki had to say..
(May 6, 2012 at 4:48 pm)genkaus Wrote:(May 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm)Drich Wrote: Your life here is to prepare you for an eternal life later. Hardship forces you to grow spiritually. The more you grow now the greater responsiablity/experience you will have later.
So, he's the worst possible person ever. He forces eternal life on you without even consulting you.
Are you being Obstainate or ignorant? One I can help you over come the other I can not.
(May 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Drich seems like a pretty straight-up christian: He reads the words, decides what they have to mean based on someone else's work and despite the lack of temporal context, then bastes liberally with snakeoil to slide the point that EVERYONE deserves to be punished by his sky wizard whether they recognize the character or not.
Being ignorant of the level of suggestibility he suffers can only be a good thing.
You've tried to spin this (your dismissal) three times now.
Are you so foolish that you do not understand how basic translation works? Or is it your hope that everyone else does not? Because that is the only way your observation holds merit.
Koine Greek is a dead language. No one speaks it fluently. That means all we have are the recorded works of "other men." Are you so foolish to say the same about a translated text written in Latin? Or will you concede that without the "works of other men" The understanding of Latin would be lost?
(May 6, 2012 at 5:09 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You say that as if it is a fact. Is it?
Or does it just say so in the bible.
Both.
-and I though you put me on your ignore list..