RE: Someone debate me
July 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2012 at 11:44 pm by Jeffonthenet.)
(July 16, 2012 at 11:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(July 16, 2012 at 11:09 pm)padraic Wrote: Why not? Because you have shown yourself to be be a presuppositional apologist. By that I mean a person who argues from a fixed position,unwilling to conceded the possibility of error. For you,the existence of God is a given. For me it is merely an unproven proposition. I think you are intellectually dishonest and generally disingenuous.
You know it takes time. People don't change their views suddenly due to an argument here and there. It takes time.
I found errors in Quran, but even when they numbered over 10, I still believed in it. It took me months to finally realize I don't know if Quran is true, let alone, that I know it's false.
It takes time. Let him debate, let him vent his frustration against what he fears (leaving his religion), let him try to prove he is being rational...
It takes years sometimes. You have to give people time.
It took time for me to lose my atheism too. I hope you realize the reverse of what happened to you is quite possible.
(July 16, 2012 at 11:09 pm)padraic Wrote:Quote:Jeffonthenet Wrote: So far the answer is, "no."
Will I debate You?
No I will not.
Why not? Because you have shown yourself to be be a presuppositional apologist. By that I mean a person who argues from a fixed position,unwilling to conceded the possibility of error. For you,the existence of God is a given. For me it is merely an unproven proposition. I think you are intellectually dishonest and generally disingenuous.
PLUS I need debate nothing. I have made no claims so have no burden of proof. I do not believe in gods due the lack of credible evidence. I concede the possibility of error,no matter how unlikely I think that may be.
You believe in God? Fine. Want me to share your belief? No problemo; simply show me your proof. Unable do that? Then please stop wasting my time and fuck off.
I've heard presuppositional apologists and I never agree with them.
(July 16, 2012 at 11:15 pm)FemmeReasonAndLogic Wrote: Are we good to debate the question I proposed then? I can PM an admin right now.
Sounds fine to me.
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Will do. I'm half asleep by now but I'll get it done.
(July 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm)Jeffonthenet Wrote:(July 16, 2012 at 11:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You know it takes time. People don't change their views suddenly due to an argument here and there. It takes time.
I found errors in Quran, but even when they numbered over 10, I still believed in it. It took me months to finally realize I don't know if Quran is true, let alone, that I know it's false.
It takes time. Let him debate, let him vent his frustration against what he fears (leaving his religion), let him try to prove he is being rational...
It takes years sometimes. You have to give people time.
It took time for me to lose my atheism too. I hope you realize the reverse of what happened to you is quite possible.
(July 16, 2012 at 11:09 pm)padraic Wrote: Will I debate You?
No I will not.
Why not? Because you have shown yourself to be be a presuppositional apologist. By that I mean a person who argues from a fixed position,unwilling to conceded the possibility of error. For you,the existence of God is a given. For me it is merely an unproven proposition. I think you are intellectually dishonest and generally disingenuous.
PLUS I need debate nothing. I have made no claims so have no burden of proof. I do not believe in gods due the lack of credible evidence. I concede the possibility of error,no matter how unlikely I think that may be.
You believe in God? Fine. Want me to share your belief? No problemo; simply show me your proof. Unable do that? Then please stop wasting my time and fuck off.
I've heard presuppositional apologists and I never agree with them.
(July 16, 2012 at 11:15 pm)FemmeReasonAndLogic Wrote: Are we good to debate the question I proposed then? I can PM an admin right now.
Sounds fine to me.
Will do. I'm half asleep by now but I'll get it done.
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Ok, just PMed Shell B. I'll let you know when I hear back.
"the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate" (1 Cor. 1:19)
